[02:46] I'm setting up slack in vmware, obviously for archiving. Would reiser be a better option than ext4? [02:47] due to smaller files, and number of files [02:50] for large files it usually doesn't matter [02:50] reiser tends to win at many teeny files [02:54] yea this is going to be for website archiving specifically, so I guess I will go with reiser [02:54] I wasn't aware ext3 had a files/folder limitation of 5,000 without htrees [02:55] Have been reading this overview guide, which is great: [02:55] http://www.serverfocus.org/reiserfs-vs-ext4-vs-xfs-vs-zfs-vs-btrfs [02:55] I usually build my boxes with jfs [02:55] solid as a rock, not fancy performance but it's consistent [02:56] ah, cool, yea slack supports it [02:58] I used to do website archiving in windows, and for the past year or more a lot of the tasks on my plate have been non-recurssive in nature. Static targetted grabs. [02:58] However with windows wget being stuck on 1.11.4, without css parsing, I have to get something setup in linux to take advantage of newer wget builds [02:59] There have been "experimental" wget builds of newer versions but I don't trust them [03:00] I think I will test out reiser for now, and keep IBM's jfs in mind for a future test run [03:01] jfs has never let me down [03:01] reiser has weirded on me once, but I was not treating it nicely [03:01] zfs totally fucked me over [03:02] ext4 hasn't weirded on me but its performance isn't great [03:02] if I run into any issues with reiser, i will switch to jfs [03:03] what are some things to watch out for with reiser shitting the bed? [03:04] I'm basically going to be doing a process of archive a single site, tar it, pulling it down from FTP over local network to another box for link checking and post processing. [03:04] ....kills your wife [03:04] lol [03:04] I never had actual reportable shit with reiser [03:04] it was just a bit tricky to manage [03:04] iirc [03:04] this was years ago and I was in high school [03:04] ah [03:22] If you figure smaller files and large numbers of files, probably. Does it matter? not really. [03:22] cause the latest 3.x's have data loss issues. issue boiled up in ext4 that hasn't been fixed yet [03:22] literally. the issue is triggered when the ext4 journal isn't written out on reboot or something. [03:22] not an issue if you don't reboot every 10 seconds [03:22] though... what kernel? [03:22] seems legit [03:22] chronomex:) what issues did you have with zfs? [03:23] zfs-fuse transmuted a large number of symlinks, but not all of them, into regular files with size 0 and permissions 0000 [03:31] I uh what [03:31] yeah that sucks [03:31] we use zfs on our fbsd servers [03:31] cause it does something Sue likes [06:30] haha, website archiving from windows [06:43] use the native zfs module instead [06:43] it's much more stable [06:44] haven't checked it in a while, dedup w/ large pages and snapshots hopefully have been added [08:59] zfs on linux chronomex ? [08:59] Oh, zfs-fuse [09:48] SmileyG: there's a kernel patch for ZFS as well [09:48] Frigolit: I know. [09:48] I know the guy whos doing it :D [09:48] ah :3 [09:48] Thats why I was asking, hes doing quite well tbh (I do love to rib him over it as he proper evangalises over ZFS) [09:48] hehe [09:49] He's in NY tho, he lost power on his ipad after the storm and hasn't yet reappeared. I'm pretty sure he's fine though [09:49] :| [09:49] yea let's hope so [09:49] I do wonder about americas infrastructure tho [09:50] Does seem so very fragile. [09:50] indeed [09:50] speaking of zfs though, i'm not sure i'd use in-kernel zfs either at this point, seems about as stable as america's infrastructure [09:51] for now i'd rather go for fbsd [09:51] could go for solaris but... no... NO! [09:59] Is this -bs? [09:59] it is not! [09:59] * Frigolit walks over there [10:00] I'll answer this one thing, though. [10:00] America's infrastructure: Not Fragile [10:00] The issue is: [10:00] America's Infrastructure - We're a huge-ass fucking country [10:00] Well yeah that too [10:00] true [10:01] I think I suddenly realised what happens [10:01] due to being a realtively young country. [10:02] Do you ever demolish stuff over there? Like "en mass" ? [10:02] less OT, anyone knows how well btrfs works? i'm trying to figure out the best setup for a future fileserver [10:02] * SmileyG goes to -bs [20:05] --------------------------------------------- [20:05] So, we're looking at doing an Archive Team Kickstarter [20:06] Would love suggestions for rewards [20:06] --------------------------------------------- [20:06] Ooh. I need to try to think of smth [20:15] what's the goal of the kickstarter? [20:15] also.. [20:15] Jason's hat [20:15] hat that looks like Jason's hat [20:16] old HDDs used for important projects (like WOW server auction :) ) [20:18] That's a good idea. [20:18] Some high reward tier should be the obligatory "archive team dinner" with SketchCow, etc. [20:29] http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Kickstarter_Prizes [20:54] Thanks for reminding me of that, DF [21:05] SketchCow: pins :) [21:06] Will this be a real kickstarter at kickstarter.com? [21:06] is the logo from the wiki the "official" archiveteam logo? [21:08] Expert archiving by the Archive Team of a website of your choice? [21:11] flaushy: It ought to be. [21:11] I'd stick a high-res poster of that on my office wall. [21:13] Though I'd probably be forced to cover up the right-hand corner with another poster or smth [22:03] I don't get it. Kickstarter? what for? [22:21] Dark_Star: we put a lot of stuff up on archive.org, and they don't run on happy thoughts and fairy dust. [22:44] This willbe a real kickstarter. [22:53] Nice [22:57] SketchCow: what is that pic on twitter? [22:57] http://t.co/z0c62yMF [23:19] My editing box. [23:19] The one I'm on now (although all my IRC is through a different server)