#archiveteam 2013-02-26,Tue

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00:00 πŸ”— SketchCow Hello, Josh. Please sent a 10-pack of Blu Ray and DVD to:
00:00 πŸ”— SketchCow 300 Funston Avenue
00:00 πŸ”— SketchCow Archivist
00:00 πŸ”— SketchCow Internet Archive
00:00 πŸ”— SketchCow Jason Scott
00:00 πŸ”— SketchCow San Francisco, CA 94118
00:01 πŸ”— dashcloud okay- that makes a lot more sense
00:01 πŸ”— dashcloud remember to ask for a drive to go with it
00:01 πŸ”— omf_ yes
00:01 πŸ”— chronomex "Engraving on the M-DISC҄’ requires an M-DISC READY҄’ Drive, which LG produces and offers in both external and internal optical disc drives, with prices starting as low as $25."
00:01 πŸ”— dashcloud it can be read by anything, but can only be written by one of their drives
00:01 πŸ”— chronomex yup
00:01 πŸ”— SketchCow that's not a surprising thing
00:01 πŸ”— chronomex sounds like mostly just a higher power or different wavelength laser?
00:01 πŸ”— SketchCow I would hope whatever bites into it uses something other than an ass-laser
00:02 πŸ”— chronomex they say it's not erasable by natural processes ... obviously they don't count ablation?
00:02 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.cdrlabs.com/forums/hitachi-ready-dvd-drives-support-rock-like-discs-t25543.html
00:02 πŸ”— SketchCow That's an announcement for the drives being made in 2011.
00:03 πŸ”— * chronomex nods quietly
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/m-disc-holds-your-data-forever-we-go-hands-on-for-a-few-minut/
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow The disks look and feel nearly identical to any CD-R or DVD-R you've used except that they're transparent, lacking reflection and dye layers, and they have an oddly pungent odor similar to film developer.
00:04 πŸ”— chronomex I wonder how polycarbonate holds up over time
00:05 πŸ”— SketchCow http://goughlui.com/?p=743
00:06 πŸ”— dashcloud the FAQ question "The M-DISC҄’ may be around for centuries, but why would that matter if DVD players were not around that long?" is probably the most informative
00:06 πŸ”— SketchCow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenniata
00:06 πŸ”— DFJustin I'm assuming "rock" is marketing-speak for quartz?
00:07 πŸ”— chronomex dashcloud: ... that says nothing at all
00:07 πŸ”— dashcloud it points to the standard people use to test the lifespan of media in compressed amounts of time
00:08 πŸ”— chronomex sure
00:08 πŸ”— dashcloud which lets you do your own testing pretty close to what they've done
00:08 πŸ”— dashcloud and since the big claim is it lasts for an extraordinarily long time, that's probably the most important piece of info on the page
00:10 πŸ”— chronomex I'm trying to find info on the cold flow of unstressed polycarbonate, and I can't find much more than "excellent creep and cold flow resistance"
00:11 πŸ”— chronomex SketchCow: interesting find re: normal burners
00:12 πŸ”— chronomex DFJustin: the blog post SketchCow found says "The interesting thing is that the inorganic layer is actually itself composed of metals and metal-oxides."
00:18 πŸ”— DFJustin http://www.mdisc.com/uploads/M-DISC_1sheet_Rock_Like_vF.pdf
00:19 πŸ”— DFJustin I'm sure the polycarbonate can handle rather less than 500°C though
00:30 πŸ”— PuppyCock ok boys, gamepro tv episodes 4 5 and 6 coming tonight
00:47 πŸ”— godane i found a series called dotto tech
00:47 πŸ”— godane its from the down under
00:53 πŸ”— godane sorry its Canadian computer guru
01:11 πŸ”— chronomex DFJustin: yes, polycarb starts melting at ~200C like many plastics
01:11 πŸ”— chronomex however it doesn't melt very well; it's partial to charring
01:12 πŸ”— chronomex woop woop woop off-topic siren
01:50 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh chronomex: i'm almost afraid to know why you know that
01:51 πŸ”— * chronomex grins
02:03 πŸ”— dashcloud how did the IRC network itself give you privileges DFJustin ?
02:03 πŸ”— chronomex netsplit
02:04 πŸ”— DFJustin generally that happens after a netsplit if I had privileges before
02:04 πŸ”— DFJustin and lost them due to the split
02:04 πŸ”— dashcloud ah
02:04 πŸ”— DFJustin also I'm a l33t h4x0r
02:11 πŸ”— dashcloud since there's so many bad stories about shutdowns, here's a refreshing change: https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/306219791025328128 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/306220314910662656
02:11 πŸ”— dashcloud (not Pinboard shutting down)
06:58 πŸ”— PuppyCock http://youtu.be/gCIeHUcOjs0
07:13 πŸ”— godane VonGuard: are you going to release it on underground gamer?
07:14 πŸ”— VonGuard yes same deal again
07:14 πŸ”— VonGuard but that;'ll happen tomorrow
07:14 πŸ”— godane thanks
07:15 πŸ”— VonGuard cause its late and imove made me want to dig up steve jobs' corpse and burn it
07:54 πŸ”— VonGuard Episode 4: http://youtu.be/-Ewgqz7ckX8
07:54 πŸ”— VonGuard Episode 5: http://youtu.be/gCIeHUcOjs0
07:54 πŸ”— VonGuard Episode 6: http://youtu.be/w2eqk6O2g7k
08:08 πŸ”— SketchCow https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/306219507762999296
08:14 πŸ”— SketchCow Today I shoved half a terabyte of cover CDs in
08:24 πŸ”— ersi http://forum.chumby.com/viewtopic.php?id=8457
08:25 πŸ”— ersi I'm running a wget --warc-file forum.chumby.com-20130225 --mirror --page-requisites -e robots=off http://forum.chumby.com/
08:25 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, do it.
08:31 πŸ”— mjb_ I don't mind being banned by Posterous. What do I need to do to help?
08:32 πŸ”— ersi As long as you know that you very probably will be banned, pretty soon - and be banned for a lot of days - Proceed. But if you need/want to access Posterous or any of the blogs, don't. :-)
08:33 πŸ”— mjb_ OK, thanks :)
08:34 πŸ”— mjb_ how quickly do they get around to banning?
08:34 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T every hour at :50
08:35 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T so best to start slightly after that to get the most out ofit
08:37 πŸ”— mjb_ oh, shoot. I already started a few minutes ago.
08:39 πŸ”— chronomex so if the ips get unbanned after 8 days, we need ~200 IPs to cycle through
08:42 πŸ”— ewook 8 days? :S
08:42 πŸ”— ersi mjb_: No worries. Some is better than none :)
08:42 πŸ”— chronomex 8 days is ~200 hours, that is
08:44 πŸ”— ersi ewook: Yes, they're hard asses
09:02 πŸ”— ewook ersi: I'm getting curious enough to waste two IP's to check how the cutoff is performed..
09:02 πŸ”— Smiley If you need 200 IP's
09:02 πŸ”— Smiley has anyone told S[h]O[r]T ? :D
09:03 πŸ”— ewook ersi: I put forward a suggestion using a couple of ip's and rotating between 'em, but that will do no good depending on how the detect and act.
09:03 πŸ”— ersi ewook: Like S[h]O[r]T said, there's some cron job running that'll ban you at around Hour:50
09:03 πŸ”— ewook based on presented agent?
09:03 πŸ”— ersi Please join #preposterus for the Postereous project
09:03 πŸ”— Smiley Uploading with Rsync to rsync://fos.textfiles.com/alardland/warrior/posterous/Smiley/ Awww I have my own DIR?
09:03 πŸ”— ewook cool
09:04 πŸ”— ersi Smiley: It's always been like that. project/$user/
09:04 πŸ”— Smiley ersi: cool :)
09:04 πŸ”— Smiley wait
09:04 πŸ”— Smiley then a stats site showing total per user isn't that hard!
09:04 πŸ”— ewook nope :).
09:05 πŸ”— Cameron_D what if I make my username ".."
09:05 πŸ”— ewook hahah :p
09:06 πŸ”— mjb_ they didn't ban me yet...
09:06 πŸ”— Smiley me and soult seem to be the only two users showing up on the tracker?
09:06 πŸ”— ersi Please join #preposterus instead
09:06 πŸ”— Smiley soult is absolutely pwning it
09:07 πŸ”— ersi It's the *archiveteam* channel for the Postereous project.
09:24 πŸ”— ersi http://joshsharp.com.au/blog/view/shutting-down-blasterfm
09:24 πŸ”— ersi dunno if it's a thing, just saw 'shutting down' in title
12:53 πŸ”— ersi 1.4G Feb 26 13:53 forum.chumby.com-20130226.warc
12:53 πŸ”— ersi still going
14:45 πŸ”— omf_ Can someone with the proper admin rights give my wiki account 'DukeNukem' permissions to create pages on the wiki. I need to add opensolaris information and a few other page as well
14:50 πŸ”— soultcer omf_: All logged-in users should have page creation privileges. Are you sure you are logged in?
14:51 πŸ”— omf_ yes considering how many edits I have made to existing pages
14:51 πŸ”— omf_ and I can upload files
14:53 πŸ”— soultcer GLaDOS: Could you take a look at what user group he belongs to?
14:54 πŸ”— GLaDOS Autoconfirmed..
14:54 πŸ”— GLaDOS Should be able to make pages..
14:56 πŸ”— soultcer Can you move him to the users group, maybe that helps?
14:58 πŸ”— GLaDOS Autoconfirmed can make pages (verified by spambots)
14:59 πŸ”— soultcer Odd
14:59 πŸ”— soultcer omf_: Are you logged in?
15:00 πŸ”— soultcer It also could be the spamfilter that blocks your content
15:01 πŸ”— omf_ soultcer, yes I am logged in. Just like I said a few minutes ago.
15:01 πŸ”— omf_ I have no create page option, so it is not the spam filter blocking me
15:02 πŸ”— soultcer What happens when you go to http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Bla&action=edit
15:02 πŸ”— omf_ I can edit it
15:02 πŸ”— GLaDOS Therefore, you'll create the page.
15:03 πŸ”— GLaDOS Unless it forbids saving of the page..
15:03 πŸ”— soultcer But that page doesn't exist yet.
15:05 πŸ”— Smiley thats how it works...
15:05 πŸ”— Smiley you edit a non-existant page, you create it
15:06 πŸ”— omf_ normal wikis have a 'create page' or 'new page' options
15:06 πŸ”— omf_ not just make up a url and start editing
15:06 πŸ”— Smiley you have to go to a blank page
15:06 πŸ”— omf_ I would expect it to be right next to the file upload option based on other wiki experiences
15:06 πŸ”— Smiley try http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Bla
15:06 πŸ”— soultcer I see a create link there (when I am logged in)
15:06 πŸ”— Smiley There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or edit this page.
15:07 πŸ”— soultcer This could be a cookie problem: Maybe you logged in at www.archiveteam.org and so it set your cookie to be only valid for that domain
15:07 πŸ”— soultcer And when you go to archiveteam.org without www you are technically not logged in
15:08 πŸ”— soultcer Or maybe your cache/proxy cached the page when you were not logged in (that shouldn't happen though)
18:15 πŸ”— omf_ Got a wiki page up for closesolaris http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Closedsolaris
18:41 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh kind of amazed its still up tbh
18:56 πŸ”— omf_ Why? The close date is over 20 days away
19:37 πŸ”— SketchCow I think he means in general.
19:38 πŸ”— SketchCow You'd think that'd be one of the first things larry would fuck
19:38 πŸ”— SketchCow I switched to Libreoffice to get away from Larry
20:03 πŸ”— ersi 2.2G forum.chumby.com-20130226.warc
20:03 πŸ”— ersi done
20:08 πŸ”— ersi Any wiki guys around? We should grab http://wiki.blueocty.com/index.php?title=Main_Page (Chumby wiki)
20:08 πŸ”— ersi (cross-posted into #wikiteam)
20:12 πŸ”— grawity So, um. I tried downloading that solaris bugzilla, in XML format; got 1.3 GB of XML. Anyone up for telling me that I did it wrong?
20:15 πŸ”— omf_ grawity, we got a room now #closedsolaris I will be happy to answer you question there
20:16 πŸ”— chronomex ersi: on it
20:17 πŸ”— ersi chronomex: Thanks a blast
20:17 πŸ”— chronomex my pleasure
20:17 πŸ”— chronomex it seems quite small
20:21 πŸ”— chronomex http://xrtc.net/f/host/wikiblueoctycom-20130226-wikidump.tar
20:22 πŸ”— ersi Hmmm, seems to be files.chumby.com as well for the source of the devices and crap
20:22 πŸ”— ersi Grabbing that now
21:09 πŸ”— omf_ I always wondered are any of the current projects higher priority than others?
21:10 πŸ”— omf_ Taking into consideration the size of the project and the time left before shutdown
21:11 πŸ”— chronomex posterous is priority right now because it's big and full of user created content
21:12 πŸ”— balrog_ and their firewall sucks
21:12 πŸ”— ersi How would I get wget to not only grab the index of http://dash.chumby.com/? I tried; `wget --warc-file dash.chumby.com-20130226 --mirror --warc-header "operator: ArchiveTeam" --page-requisites -e robots=off http://dash.chumby.com/`
21:15 πŸ”— bsmith093 /join #ispygames
22:07 πŸ”— SketchCow So, we're about to find out a game.
22:07 πŸ”— SketchCow The game is "what happens when the uploading machine for the tracker goes down"
22:08 πŸ”— SketchCow (For just a few minutes)
22:10 πŸ”— chronomex happy funtimes
22:10 πŸ”— soultcer Could you delay that to a specific point in time? If yes, do it at exactly 50 minutes past the full hour
22:10 πŸ”— SketchCow ha ha
22:10 πŸ”— SketchCow Let's do this.
22:10 πŸ”— SketchCow Please shut down your warriors
22:10 πŸ”— SketchCow For Posterous
22:10 πŸ”— SketchCow Especially our hero who's doing it
22:10 πŸ”— ersi So, anyone? Regarding wget and dash.chumby.com?
22:11 πŸ”— soultcer jk_: ping?
22:11 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T ersi --span-hosts and then --domains="dash.chumby.com" ?
22:11 πŸ”— jk_ shutting down
22:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Thanks.
22:11 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm going to shut the machine down completely now.
22:11 πŸ”— SketchCow No, wait
22:12 πŸ”— SketchCow Let it go to the next :50
22:12 πŸ”— SketchCow Then shut down
22:12 πŸ”— SketchCow And I will come back and shut the machine down
22:12 πŸ”— jk_ spinning up
22:13 πŸ”— SketchCow OK, he shuts it down 3pm EST, 6pm PST.
22:13 πŸ”— SketchCow If it goes away, then comes back that was the shutdown.
22:14 πŸ”— SketchCow I have to go mail documentaries and get my stress pills
22:14 πŸ”— SketchCow This is to replace a failed OS disk mirror, so it's pretty important
22:14 πŸ”— ersi S[h]O[r]T: No. The problem is that it's not following anything in the HTML it saves
22:14 πŸ”— ersi It's *only* downloading the index.html, which is kinda worthless
22:24 πŸ”— alard Shutting down FOS for a short while isn't that much of a problem: the warriors will wait and will resume uploading when it's back up.
22:26 πŸ”— alard And if it takes longer, it's easy to redirect the uploads to a different location. (Should underscor happen to have a spare rsync server, for instance.)
22:29 πŸ”— chronomex as we found, the tracker is good for a few hours
22:29 πŸ”— alard Heh. :)
22:34 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T ersi..whats evn really on that site?
22:34 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T everything seems to link to other sites on sonys website
22:35 πŸ”— ersi S[h]O[r]T: Dunno, but I want a copy of the resources - linked in stylesheets and all that shit
22:35 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T dash.chumby.com is an alias for dash.dash.sel.sony.com.
22:36 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T maybe just try the sony url
22:36 πŸ”— ersi ah, hm
22:36 πŸ”— ersi nope, just one page :/
22:39 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T did you look at what it grabbed?
22:39 πŸ”— ersi Yeah, just the index.html
22:39 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T did you look at what that file says?
22:40 πŸ”— ersi Son of a
22:40 πŸ”— ersi Yeah, it looked fine the first bit.. apparently they fuck with the user agent
22:40 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T do a -U "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.20.25 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.4 Safari/533.20.27"
22:40 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T yeah haha :)
22:40 πŸ”— ersi thanks man
22:40 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T np. ive done stupider things
22:40 πŸ”— ersi Now it's going
22:41 πŸ”— ersi Well, that was obvious I guess. I just assumed wget was being a bitch :-P
23:04 πŸ”— turnkit esri - Thanks for grabbing chumby. You guys make problems even look easy. lol.
23:04 πŸ”— turnkit *solving problems.
23:06 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T they said they have hosting for the forum and wiki covered so thats good
23:13 πŸ”— DoubleJ Are there any plans to rerun the punchfork users that are still out? I have two left that appear to have gone on strike last Tuesday.
23:24 πŸ”— S[h]O[r]T stickam closes in 2 days..i guess there wasnt much we could do or figure out?
23:24 πŸ”— tuankiet Posterous upload error?
23:25 πŸ”— dashcloud interesting post on how rhizome preserves .swf files and keeps everything intact and working when it goes live on their site
23:25 πŸ”— dashcloud http://rhizome.org/editorial/2013/feb/25/preserving-flash/
23:51 πŸ”— soultcer tuankiet: The rsync server had to be restarted
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