#archiveteam 2013-11-21,Thu

↑back Search

Time Nickname Message
01:06 🔗 SketchCow http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/sets/72157637890764365/
01:07 🔗 BlueMax How drunk were you
01:20 🔗 SketchCow I've never had alcohol.
01:24 🔗 BlueMax Seriously?
01:25 🔗 Silent700 Not even on that little swab when you get a flu shot?
01:30 🔗 BlueMax I'm not saying anything about your choice of what you put in your body SketchCow, just a little surprised is all
01:55 🔗 ex-parrot hello all... I'd like to throw up a couple of VMs running the warrior, is there a writeup somewhere on how to get the warrior stuff going outside of the appliance easily?
02:00 🔗 antomatic Not sure, although most of the individual project pages at github (via archiveteam.org) will list the commands you can use to run the scripts standalone, without a warrior
02:00 🔗 ex-parrot ok cool, I can probably manage
02:00 🔗 antomatic e.g. https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/hyves-grab/blob/master/README.md
02:01 🔗 ex-parrot oh cool, that's really easy
02:09 🔗 bsmith093 might be a stupid question but , when I upload an item into IA, which pile of links on the details page is the original format? example this https://archive.org/details/YugiohTAS160
02:26 🔗 DFJustin you can usually guess by format (IA generates MPEG4 and Ogg Video) but the only way to tell for sure is to open the _files.xml and look for source="original"
02:26 🔗 DFJustin err I guess in this case it generated the "h.264" and the original is the "MPEG4" column
02:26 🔗 DFJustin even though it's basically the same thing
03:04 🔗 SketchCow The Great FTP Download continues
03:05 🔗 SketchCow This is the FTP site I've been downloiading for 3 months.
03:10 🔗 BlueMax can't even imagine how big that FTP would be at this point
03:17 🔗 SketchCow 5.1tb
03:17 🔗 BlueMax woah.
03:20 🔗 dashcloud I did grab an FTP site recently- should I make a zip file of the grab and upload that, or is there a preferred way to upload ftp grabs?
03:23 🔗 SketchCow I upload them as tar files.
03:23 🔗 SketchCow Zip works too.
04:37 🔗 SketchCow http://ia601009.us.archive.org/isoview.php?iso=/15/items/1992_August_Walnut_Creek_GIF_Galore/747851009010%201992%20August%20Walnut%20Creek%20GIF_GALORE1.iso&file=GIFS%2FTECHNLGY%2FCRAY.GIF
04:38 🔗 Silent700 Milwaukee number - I think I remember that name
04:38 🔗 arkhive I got good news. I picked up about 50 5.25" floppies and 100 3.25" floppies from this cool dude on Craigslist. Anyway he was into the BBS stuff, SketchCow, and set up his own but never took it online (was going to be golf bbs) and he went to all these conventions/conferences.
04:38 🔗 BlueMax I was looking for a cat and couldn't find one
04:39 🔗 SketchCow arkhive: The more stuff you can get, the better.
04:39 🔗 arkhive Anyway, SketchCow.. He said a lot of the floppies should have BBS stuff on them
04:39 🔗 SketchCow ExecPC was one of the largest BBSes in history.
04:39 🔗 arkhive from the 80's
04:39 🔗 SketchCow arkhive: Copy it!
04:39 🔗 arkhive so i can ship them to you. I can't do it any time soon. but i know you are all BBS :) (haven't finished your doc.. but so far it's awesome)
04:40 🔗 arkhive and he said if you find stuff you like he'll dig through his basement because he has about 200 more 5.25" floppies and a lot have BBS stuff. He also still has his BBS hardware and was talking about this 4 line us robotics modem via serial he bought lol
04:41 🔗 SketchCow Move to -bs
04:41 🔗 arkhive he didn't have any 8" disks.. But he said let me know if you want any hardware and i'll give you some. so i got his business card.
04:41 🔗 arkhive okay
04:58 🔗 SketchCow OK, opening this one to this gang first: http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Jscott/Japan - any interest?
04:59 🔗 DFJustin that's the SPS-affiliated thing?
05:10 🔗 SketchCow Yes.
05:52 🔗 SketchCow While the statement was very sudden (but not unexpected as AOL just recently announced it's propositions to axe AOL Music) there is a lot of archiving to be done as it's final deadline for downloads is on December 20th, 2013. While the Archive Team has a lot on it's plate year-round gathering historical data from every crevice of the internet, this is no matter to be ignored and I am urging a project be started for this.
05:53 🔗 SketchCow URGING
05:57 🔗 Ruby__ The urge is great.
06:01 🔗 Lord_Nigh <SketchCow> OK, opening this one to this gang first: http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Jscott/Japan - any interest?
06:01 🔗 Lord_Nigh <DFJustin> that's the SPS-affiliated thing?
06:01 🔗 Lord_Nigh <SketchCow> Yes.
06:02 🔗 Lord_Nigh yep, joseph redon was the dude philpem was working on to get a massive japanese archive of disks imaged with the discferret
06:02 🔗 Lord_Nigh until he mysteriously said something about the contract for dtc-pro from kryoflux preventing all use of competing products and promptly stopped responding to mails entirely
06:03 🔗 Lord_Nigh the 'loss' of him in that regard from the open preservation community due to contractual evil is one of the biggest reasons i despise the SPS guys with a passion
06:03 🔗 Lord_Nigh the kryoflux isn't a bad piece of hardware, but the dudes who write the software are backstabbing bastards
06:03 🔗 Lord_Nigh rant over. carry on
06:05 🔗 Lord_Nigh SketchCow: actually you may be able to get some silver lining from that: since joseph can't legally use the discferret he owns anymore due to that contract, he may be willing to sell it
06:05 🔗 Silent700 is DF progress essentially over now?
06:07 🔗 SketchCow I don't get a silver lining from people being hurt.
06:07 🔗 SketchCow Also, oh my god do I not care about this political bullshit with the disk reading hardware
06:08 🔗 SketchCow It's like watching a bunch of old men give each other cancer to win chess games
06:09 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: wait, what is AOL shutting down this time
06:09 🔗 SketchCow winamp.
06:09 🔗 SketchCow Everything related to it.
06:10 🔗 Sellyme Invluding the forums with 2.7 million posts
06:10 🔗 Sellyme Including*
06:10 🔗 Sellyme Which I'd very much like to see saved.
06:14 🔗 SketchCow http://playitagainproject.org/conference/call-for-papers/
06:14 🔗 SketchCow If anyone wants to apply for this, go ahead.
06:14 🔗 SketchCow I don't know why it annoys me, but somehow it does.
06:14 🔗 SketchCow It's just way too fucking general, and I'm sick of submitting papers 8 months in advance.
06:15 🔗 SketchCow 8 months.
06:15 🔗 SketchCow I also don't submit papers. I get asked to speak.
06:17 🔗 SketchCow http://www.slideshare.net/molsontravel/dlf-snapshot2013draftcombined also, read that
06:25 🔗 * joepie91 gets the impression that SketchCow is on an inbox-clearing spree
06:26 🔗 joepie91 wait, winamp is going away? wat?
06:26 🔗 joepie91 wow
06:27 🔗 * ersi nods
06:28 🔗 SketchCow I've just initiated the automatic musicbrainz database downloader.
06:28 🔗 SketchCow It'll run every day, and get the new dumps when they come out.
06:28 🔗 SketchCow Who told me to do this?
06:28 🔗 SketchCow MUSICBRAINZ
06:28 🔗 joepie91 so, are they just shutting down winamp, or the entire nullsoft division?
06:28 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: heh
06:28 🔗 SketchCow Who the fuck knows
06:29 🔗 SketchCow They put the announcement in a DOWNLOAD LINK
06:29 🔗 SketchCow http://www.winamp.com/media-player/en
06:29 🔗 joepie91 sigh
06:29 🔗 * joepie91 puts AOL in the corner of shame, right next to Yahoo
06:29 🔗 joepie91 but yeah, shoutcast should probably also be taken a look at...
06:30 🔗 joepie91 as it's also a nullsoft thing
06:30 🔗 joepie91 same for their installer stuff perhaps, NSIS?
06:30 🔗 joepie91 if that's still alive
06:37 🔗 SketchCow We are not the people to ask, sir
06:37 🔗 mistym NSIS is still alive, but its homepage is on Sourceforge so probably less likely to go away?
07:09 🔗 Lord_Nigh Silent700: it isn't over. philpem has a real job but he's been working on restoring a pick and place machine which he's (apparently) going to use to assemble the last 6-7 boards he has or so
07:10 🔗 Lord_Nigh beyond those boards he doesn't want to order more made because there are some significant design changes he wants to do
07:11 🔗 Lord_Nigh notably, replacing the power section with something less overdesigned-and-difficult-to-assemble, adding more ram, replacing the mcu with something that does usb 2.0 high speed (which even the kryoflux can't do), and using a less expensive fpga since the current one is total overkill
07:11 🔗 Lord_Nigh and like ssds, fpgas see effectively zero price decline over time (mostly due to patents and single sources)
07:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh hence the fpga is just as expensive as it ever was, so a smaller one saves a good $20-$40 per board
07:13 🔗 Lord_Nigh he was going to replace the ram with sdram but i convinced him its a bad idea due to multiple clock domain hell (and this is a device designed to preserve delicate media, we can't risk random bit errors)
07:14 🔗 ex-parrot I tried to buy a kryoflux but the guy got upset about me wanting to use it "commercially" (by which I mean, my company bought it)
07:14 🔗 Silent700 Lord_Nigh: good news, thanks
07:14 🔗 Lord_Nigh ex-parrot: yeah, that sounds about right
07:14 🔗 ex-parrot I had just kinda assumed it was an open source project, but apparently not
07:15 🔗 Lord_Nigh for commercial use the SPS wants to sell you a dtc-pro license for ~$3500
07:15 🔗 Lord_Nigh which has the forbids-use-of-competing-products clause in that license
07:15 🔗 DFJustin there's still mystery meat for stuff like ipf generation
07:15 🔗 Lord_Nigh that's what dtc-pro does
07:15 🔗 Lord_Nigh turns kf-stream files into ipfs
07:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh it uses a usb license dongle from what i gather
07:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh ex-parrot: discferret is and always will be fully open source
07:17 🔗 ex-parrot Lord_Nigh: can you link me to it? I'd be quite interested
07:17 🔗 Lord_Nigh the files including iirc gerber files for the pcbs are available at http://hg.discferret.com/
07:17 🔗 Lord_Nigh if the gerber files are not there, i can ask philpem to post them
07:17 🔗 ex-parrot I'll have a look, thanks heaps
07:20 🔗 Lord_Nigh another allied-with-discferret project is keirf's disk-utilities project, which has decoders that can read discferret's .dfi format and turn it into more typical cooked emulator-compatible disk images
07:20 🔗 Lord_Nigh https://github.com/keirf/Disk-Utilities
07:20 🔗 Silent700 I hadn't heard about that
07:21 🔗 Silent700 good to see someone writing s/w for it
07:25 🔗 DFJustin my basic beef with sps is the lack of transparency, their dumped games list hasn't been updated since 2010 with no explanation and as far as I can tell the japan branch has no publicly available information at all on what they have
07:26 🔗 DFJustin so maybe they're secretly kicking all kinds of ass but it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence (or collaboration)
07:33 🔗 ex-parrot I heard there was discussion about which VPS providers were best for running warrior instances earlier... can someone summarise the conclusions for me?
08:26 🔗 SketchCow -bs
09:11 🔗 Nemo_bis I wish I never started this stupid FTP site... https://archive.org/details/ftp-ftp.hp.com_pub-2013-10
09:12 🔗 Nemo_bis I gave the correct size hint and there was space available, but upload was too slow and now something else has filled the drive
09:12 🔗 arkhive Suggestion something to keep an eye on. TLD's that still exist from countries/unions that are no longer in existance
09:14 🔗 Silent700 and it thinks its an mpeg?
09:14 🔗 arkhive like .su for Soviet Union TLD's. You can still register them with a Russian registrar. But who knows they may phase .su out. .za(I think it is) for Zaire is gone now. Same with East Germany. I don't know if any sites were using those TLD's but I'm looking into it.
09:15 🔗 arkhive Maybe something to put in the Wiki? Thoughts? (I've never edited a wiki)
09:15 🔗 Nemo_bis Silent700: yes, apparently some tar files have weird content :)
09:15 🔗 Silent700 odd
09:15 🔗 Silent700 did East Germany ever have a tld?
09:15 🔗 Silent700 .za is South Afrika, I think
09:15 🔗 Nemo_bis "make music with lrzip"
09:16 🔗 arkhive maybe it's .zr.. I can't remember. but ya I think .dd was East germany.
09:16 🔗 SketchCow Silent700: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dd
09:16 🔗 Silent700 ah so
09:16 🔗 SketchCow It didn't live very long and the implication is almost nobody used it.
09:28 🔗 arkhive Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Zaire, East Germany, .nato
09:28 🔗 arkhive Anyway...
09:49 🔗 xmc Lord_Nigh: if you need someone to take ownership of a discferret and shovel things into it, I volunteer
09:49 🔗 xmc I have a real job that pays money, and I like doing things involving the post office
10:24 🔗 Emcy you doing winamp.com?
10:25 🔗 SketchCow We are.
10:25 🔗 SketchCow Quite aggressively.
10:25 🔗 Emcy what parts
10:25 🔗 GLaDOS All of it, I believe.
10:26 🔗 Emcy is it in the warrior yet
10:26 🔗 GLaDOS Nah, it's just a single wget process job.
10:27 🔗 SketchCow Warrior isn't needed for this.
10:28 🔗 Emcy so how do people help
10:29 🔗 SketchCow With winamp? maybe finding obscure collections of them?
10:29 🔗 SketchCow It's a little late here, people aren't as active right now.
10:29 🔗 Emcy well dont forget the skins too
10:30 🔗 Coderjoe allwinampskins.com (or something like that) is done. downloads.winamp.com is done
10:30 🔗 Emcy oh cool
10:30 🔗 Coderjoe forums and wiki are in progress
10:31 🔗 Emcy onwards and upwards gentlemen
10:58 🔗 SketchCow QUOTE: My hope is that in 100 years, someone will go "Well, thank goodness they had THAT guy."
10:58 🔗 SketchCow We'll see if they accept that as my "quote"
11:00 🔗 SketchCow TITLE: Marshmallow or Fire Extinguishers: What Do You Bring to the Cultural Fire Sale?
11:01 🔗 SketchCow Ahhhaha haha, they're going to love meee
11:01 🔗 midas1 marshmellows \o/
11:02 🔗 midas1 maybe a idea to add these to winamp? http://www.oldversion.com/windows/winamp/
11:03 🔗 SketchCow http://i.imgur.com/etIPEUG.gif
11:03 🔗 midas1 hahahhaa
11:04 🔗 midas1 "shut r down, she's sucking mud again"
11:12 🔗 SketchCow http://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1emh4r/urgent_delete_any_old_reddit_posts_you_dont_want/
11:12 🔗 SketchCow ha ha fuck those guys
11:15 🔗 Atluxity on the tracker for hyves I have an icon before my nick when it showes up in the activity-list, what is that?
11:19 🔗 SketchCow You are using the archiveteam warrior.
11:19 🔗 SketchCow Some people are doing direct script downloads (non-vm) because they're on a whole other set of machines.
11:20 🔗 SketchCow This differentiates between it. Both are valid systems, both provide excellent one, one is just easier to install on certain machines while the other allows people to put them in other locations.
11:21 🔗 SketchCow "Archive Team is a bunch of jerks, lead by that big jerk guy that now works at Internet Archive."
11:23 🔗 Atluxity thanks SketchCow
11:23 🔗 Atluxity I am trying to install the warrior on a vmware-setup I have... its not easy, any hints or suggestions?
11:25 🔗 CameronD That reddit post, I have the guy tagged as "I EXPECT PRIVACY IN A PUBLIC FORUM", haha
11:31 🔗 antomatic Aluxity - one thing you might need to watch out for is that the warrior OVA image has two hard drives, but the second one needs to be changed to a different IDE or channel (or change type to SCSI - either will work)
11:31 🔗 antomatic That only seems to affect VMware - it doesn't like IDE slaves with no masters
11:32 🔗 Atluxity antomatic: thanks, having some trouble importing the ova though.. working on converting it now
11:32 🔗 antomatic Apart from that the warrior image runs well under VMWare player on the PC, or VMware fusion on the mac
11:33 🔗 antomatic Atluxity: Oh! I know it does throw an error at first, but it gives an option to retry with a less strict setting and then it goes OK, for me at least
11:33 🔗 Atluxity I have a couple of esx-hosts that sits too much idle :)
11:33 🔗 antomatic Admittedly I've never tried the image on dedicated iron. :)
11:33 🔗 Atluxity I might just get the git repo manually and start the fun from there
11:34 🔗 midas1 for ESX you first need to convert it
11:34 🔗 Atluxity I should have been clearer on that to begin with, I am not used to consider VMware player or fusion
11:35 🔗 midas1 if you wish, i have the image here that i created for esx
11:35 🔗 antomatic Alternatively, almost any linux machine or VM should be able to run the raw project scripts, which might be easier.
11:36 🔗 Atluxity yeah, the beauty of you publishing exactly how the warrior works :D
11:37 🔗 midas1 SketchCow: the fear of being archived
11:37 🔗 Atluxity does the fear have a name?
11:37 🔗 Atluxity like a fobia?
11:37 🔗 midas1 we might need to create that
11:37 🔗 SketchCow Mnemophobia
11:38 🔗 antomatic Latin would be archivophobia, but that sounds a bit made-up :)
11:39 🔗 midas1 SketchCow: that works both ways tho
11:39 🔗 midas1 the fear of forgetting and the fear of being remembered
11:44 🔗 SketchCow yes
11:44 🔗 SketchCow What, you think I play it simple?
11:47 🔗 godane so looks like KnuxSonic is uploading 60gb of g4 stuff back to g4rewind site
11:48 🔗 godane he is also playing a loop of kenny loggins "Danger Zone"
11:48 🔗 SketchCow That's a full weekend right there.
11:49 🔗 godane he said it will take 24 hours with picture of progress bar
11:53 🔗 SketchCow "Change is in the air, but it doesn't need to smell like smoke."
12:16 🔗 GLaDOS Are we creating quotes?
12:16 🔗 Atluxity alright, got a hacked-up warrior running on a linux-host on my esx-rig
12:17 🔗 GLaDOS QUOTE: The startup space is ran by a bunch of kids with ADHD that don't know how to share.
12:18 🔗 Atluxity I hope 10Gig is enough for the warrior
12:19 🔗 Atluxity looks to be working like a champ so far
12:19 🔗 SketchCow 10gig is more than enough.
12:19 🔗 Atluxity sweet
12:19 🔗 SketchCow The whole point of the warrior is that it doesn't use more than a gig or two.
12:19 🔗 SketchCow It downloads a piece, and uploads that piece
12:19 🔗 SketchCow So unless each piece is more than a certain amount,it's OK.
12:20 🔗 SketchCow And here, the vast, VAST majority of users are under 10mb
12:30 🔗 Atluxity would be fun to have a look at the traffic-graf for hyves, these last days versus recent times
12:31 🔗 Atluxity must be like a super-nova, exploding in light just before it dies
12:31 🔗 SketchCow I'm sure
12:36 🔗 Nemo_bis Atluxity: so the speed is now sufficient?
12:36 🔗 Atluxity what speed?
12:37 🔗 Nemo_bis of download
12:37 🔗 Nemo_bis 20k/h so about 19 hours to completion unless more users are added; looks so
12:38 🔗 Atluxity oh, that speed
12:40 🔗 SketchCow There's a lot of users to be added, Nemo_bis
12:40 🔗 SketchCow They've got 6 million.
12:41 🔗 Nemo_bis ah
12:42 🔗 Nemo_bis so we're rather close to the deadline
12:42 🔗 CameronD Yeah, about a week left
12:52 🔗 ersi There's a project channel for Hyves: #angerthehyve by the way.
14:05 🔗 Atluxity thanks ersi
14:11 🔗 ersi :)
15:28 🔗 SketchCow Hellooooooo Kim!
15:29 🔗 SketchCow http://dish2013.nl/sessions/keynote-jason-scott
15:32 🔗 n00b853 Hello Jason
15:32 🔗 n00b853 So tell me what would our students do? Are there directions somewhere?
15:32 🔗 SketchCow Hey there!
15:33 🔗 SketchCow So, there's a number of options. Since my speech at the event, Archive Team has created a bot, ArchiveBot, which allows you to call out URLs for it to save.
15:33 🔗 n00b853 Cool
15:33 🔗 SketchCow In this way, your students could find the URLs of critical items, and an assigned person can tell ArchiveBot to do something about it.
15:33 🔗 SketchCow Would that fall under something sensical?
15:33 🔗 n00b853 If you have a canned demo I can show it to my students as well.
15:34 🔗 n00b853 Yes, very sensical!
15:34 🔗 SketchCow Do you know how to switch channels?
15:34 🔗 SketchCow Switch the #archivebot and say hello
16:27 🔗 BenBB Hey, AT. Any chance Winamp.com is going to be backed up?
16:28 🔗 BiggieJon already running on archivebot
16:28 🔗 BiggieJon http://archivebot.at.ninjawedding.org:4567/
16:40 🔗 BenBB awesome :)
16:40 🔗 BenBB Great work you guys do.
19:01 🔗 edoc is shoutcast going down with the winamp ship?
19:01 🔗 edoc I notice the shoutcast blog is blank.
20:30 🔗 SketchCow http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/
20:56 🔗 DFJustin not sure if want
21:00 🔗 DFJustin so, it's unclear whether archivebot is going to be able to swallow the entire winamp forums
21:00 🔗 DFJustin there may need to be a script thing like company of heroes
21:00 🔗 DFJustin er city of heroes
21:01 🔗 DFJustin the layout seems pretty simple
21:05 🔗 w0rp Is it me, or is any kind of information stating, "This site is going to be deleted for no good reason" gone from the Winamp site?
21:05 🔗 w0rp Ah, it's still there on /media-player
21:27 🔗 link343 so have you guys heard about CBS streaming their JFK Assassination coverage this weekend?
21:27 🔗 link343 I know archive team usually doesn't archive media like this
21:28 🔗 xmc DFJustin: do any of the lua forum scripts seem applicable?
21:45 🔗 * nico_32 is seeking an IA admin
22:05 🔗 DFJustin no idea
22:08 🔗 CowerZZZZ i'm surprised CBS would stream it.. it was what got disgraced Dan his big break (fired from CBS of course)
22:09 🔗 Nemo_bis nico_32: for what?
22:17 🔗 bananapwn Shoutcast no longer safe
22:17 🔗 bananapwn http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/
22:17 🔗 bananapwn "We have also learned that AOL has been planning to announce the closure of Shoutcast next week."
22:17 🔗 bananapwn Since people were asking about that yesterdayh
22:22 🔗 SketchCow 15:41 <@SketchCow> http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/
22:22 🔗 SketchCow 17:28 < bananapwn> http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/
22:23 🔗 bananapwn woops
22:23 🔗 SketchCow Solution, stay in channel 24/7
22:23 🔗 bananapwn no room archive?
22:24 🔗 bananapwn that will teach me to leave irc, yes
22:24 🔗 SketchCow there's a room archive.
22:24 🔗 SketchCow you didn't check that either.
22:26 🔗 bananapwn ok, found an archive, noted for the future
22:32 🔗 dashcloud SketchCow: can you move this to the proper location: https://archive.org/details/ftp-berlin-idgames ? Thanks!
22:39 🔗 SketchCow Done
22:41 🔗 dashcloud Thanks!
22:41 🔗 nico_32 SketchCow: and https://archive.org/details/CedricBlancherTribute ? please
22:44 🔗 SketchCow Done
22:45 🔗 nico_32 thanks :)

irclogger-viewer