[01:06] http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/sets/72157637890764365/ [01:07] How drunk were you [01:20] I've never had alcohol. [01:24] Seriously? [01:25] Not even on that little swab when you get a flu shot? [01:30] I'm not saying anything about your choice of what you put in your body SketchCow, just a little surprised is all [01:55] hello all... I'd like to throw up a couple of VMs running the warrior, is there a writeup somewhere on how to get the warrior stuff going outside of the appliance easily? [02:00] Not sure, although most of the individual project pages at github (via archiveteam.org) will list the commands you can use to run the scripts standalone, without a warrior [02:00] ok cool, I can probably manage [02:00] e.g. https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/hyves-grab/blob/master/README.md [02:01] oh cool, that's really easy [02:09] might be a stupid question but , when I upload an item into IA, which pile of links on the details page is the original format? example this https://archive.org/details/YugiohTAS160 [02:26] you can usually guess by format (IA generates MPEG4 and Ogg Video) but the only way to tell for sure is to open the _files.xml and look for source="original" [02:26] err I guess in this case it generated the "h.264" and the original is the "MPEG4" column [02:26] even though it's basically the same thing [03:04] The Great FTP Download continues [03:05] This is the FTP site I've been downloiading for 3 months. [03:10] can't even imagine how big that FTP would be at this point [03:17] 5.1tb [03:17] woah. [03:20] I did grab an FTP site recently- should I make a zip file of the grab and upload that, or is there a preferred way to upload ftp grabs? [03:23] I upload them as tar files. [03:23] Zip works too. [04:37] http://ia601009.us.archive.org/isoview.php?iso=/15/items/1992_August_Walnut_Creek_GIF_Galore/747851009010%201992%20August%20Walnut%20Creek%20GIF_GALORE1.iso&file=GIFS%2FTECHNLGY%2FCRAY.GIF [04:38] Milwaukee number - I think I remember that name [04:38] I got good news. I picked up about 50 5.25" floppies and 100 3.25" floppies from this cool dude on Craigslist. Anyway he was into the BBS stuff, SketchCow, and set up his own but never took it online (was going to be golf bbs) and he went to all these conventions/conferences. [04:38] I was looking for a cat and couldn't find one [04:39] arkhive: The more stuff you can get, the better. [04:39] Anyway, SketchCow.. He said a lot of the floppies should have BBS stuff on them [04:39] ExecPC was one of the largest BBSes in history. [04:39] from the 80's [04:39] arkhive: Copy it! [04:39] so i can ship them to you. I can't do it any time soon. but i know you are all BBS :) (haven't finished your doc.. but so far it's awesome) [04:40] and he said if you find stuff you like he'll dig through his basement because he has about 200 more 5.25" floppies and a lot have BBS stuff. He also still has his BBS hardware and was talking about this 4 line us robotics modem via serial he bought lol [04:41] Move to -bs [04:41] he didn't have any 8" disks.. But he said let me know if you want any hardware and i'll give you some. so i got his business card. [04:41] okay [04:58] OK, opening this one to this gang first: http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Jscott/Japan - any interest? [04:59] that's the SPS-affiliated thing? [05:10] Yes. [05:52] While the statement was very sudden (but not unexpected as AOL just recently announced it's propositions to axe AOL Music) there is a lot of archiving to be done as it's final deadline for downloads is on December 20th, 2013. While the Archive Team has a lot on it's plate year-round gathering historical data from every crevice of the internet, this is no matter to be ignored and I am urging a project be started for this. [05:53] URGING [05:57] The urge is great. [06:01] OK, opening this one to this gang first: http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Jscott/Japan - any interest? [06:01] that's the SPS-affiliated thing? [06:01] Yes. [06:02] yep, joseph redon was the dude philpem was working on to get a massive japanese archive of disks imaged with the discferret [06:02] until he mysteriously said something about the contract for dtc-pro from kryoflux preventing all use of competing products and promptly stopped responding to mails entirely [06:03] the 'loss' of him in that regard from the open preservation community due to contractual evil is one of the biggest reasons i despise the SPS guys with a passion [06:03] the kryoflux isn't a bad piece of hardware, but the dudes who write the software are backstabbing bastards [06:03] rant over. carry on [06:05] SketchCow: actually you may be able to get some silver lining from that: since joseph can't legally use the discferret he owns anymore due to that contract, he may be willing to sell it [06:05] is DF progress essentially over now? [06:07] I don't get a silver lining from people being hurt. [06:07] Also, oh my god do I not care about this political bullshit with the disk reading hardware [06:08] It's like watching a bunch of old men give each other cancer to win chess games [06:09] SketchCow: wait, what is AOL shutting down this time [06:09] winamp. [06:09] Everything related to it. [06:10] Invluding the forums with 2.7 million posts [06:10] Including* [06:10] Which I'd very much like to see saved. [06:14] http://playitagainproject.org/conference/call-for-papers/ [06:14] If anyone wants to apply for this, go ahead. [06:14] I don't know why it annoys me, but somehow it does. [06:14] It's just way too fucking general, and I'm sick of submitting papers 8 months in advance. [06:15] 8 months. [06:15] I also don't submit papers. I get asked to speak. [06:17] http://www.slideshare.net/molsontravel/dlf-snapshot2013draftcombined also, read that [06:25] * joepie91 gets the impression that SketchCow is on an inbox-clearing spree [06:26] wait, winamp is going away? wat? [06:26] wow [06:27] * ersi nods [06:28] I've just initiated the automatic musicbrainz database downloader. [06:28] It'll run every day, and get the new dumps when they come out. [06:28] Who told me to do this? [06:28] MUSICBRAINZ [06:28] so, are they just shutting down winamp, or the entire nullsoft division? [06:28] SketchCow: heh [06:28] Who the fuck knows [06:29] They put the announcement in a DOWNLOAD LINK [06:29] http://www.winamp.com/media-player/en [06:29] sigh [06:29] * joepie91 puts AOL in the corner of shame, right next to Yahoo [06:29] but yeah, shoutcast should probably also be taken a look at... [06:30] as it's also a nullsoft thing [06:30] same for their installer stuff perhaps, NSIS? [06:30] if that's still alive [06:37] We are not the people to ask, sir [06:37] NSIS is still alive, but its homepage is on Sourceforge so probably less likely to go away? [07:09] Silent700: it isn't over. philpem has a real job but he's been working on restoring a pick and place machine which he's (apparently) going to use to assemble the last 6-7 boards he has or so [07:10] beyond those boards he doesn't want to order more made because there are some significant design changes he wants to do [07:11] notably, replacing the power section with something less overdesigned-and-difficult-to-assemble, adding more ram, replacing the mcu with something that does usb 2.0 high speed (which even the kryoflux can't do), and using a less expensive fpga since the current one is total overkill [07:11] and like ssds, fpgas see effectively zero price decline over time (mostly due to patents and single sources) [07:12] hence the fpga is just as expensive as it ever was, so a smaller one saves a good $20-$40 per board [07:13] he was going to replace the ram with sdram but i convinced him its a bad idea due to multiple clock domain hell (and this is a device designed to preserve delicate media, we can't risk random bit errors) [07:14] I tried to buy a kryoflux but the guy got upset about me wanting to use it "commercially" (by which I mean, my company bought it) [07:14] Lord_Nigh: good news, thanks [07:14] ex-parrot: yeah, that sounds about right [07:14] I had just kinda assumed it was an open source project, but apparently not [07:15] for commercial use the SPS wants to sell you a dtc-pro license for ~$3500 [07:15] which has the forbids-use-of-competing-products clause in that license [07:15] there's still mystery meat for stuff like ipf generation [07:15] that's what dtc-pro does [07:15] turns kf-stream files into ipfs [07:16] it uses a usb license dongle from what i gather [07:16] ex-parrot: discferret is and always will be fully open source [07:17] Lord_Nigh: can you link me to it? I'd be quite interested [07:17] the files including iirc gerber files for the pcbs are available at http://hg.discferret.com/ [07:17] if the gerber files are not there, i can ask philpem to post them [07:17] I'll have a look, thanks heaps [07:20] another allied-with-discferret project is keirf's disk-utilities project, which has decoders that can read discferret's .dfi format and turn it into more typical cooked emulator-compatible disk images [07:20] https://github.com/keirf/Disk-Utilities [07:20] I hadn't heard about that [07:21] good to see someone writing s/w for it [07:25] my basic beef with sps is the lack of transparency, their dumped games list hasn't been updated since 2010 with no explanation and as far as I can tell the japan branch has no publicly available information at all on what they have [07:26] so maybe they're secretly kicking all kinds of ass but it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence (or collaboration) [07:33] I heard there was discussion about which VPS providers were best for running warrior instances earlier... can someone summarise the conclusions for me? [08:26] -bs [09:11] I wish I never started this stupid FTP site... https://archive.org/details/ftp-ftp.hp.com_pub-2013-10 [09:12] I gave the correct size hint and there was space available, but upload was too slow and now something else has filled the drive [09:12] Suggestion something to keep an eye on. TLD's that still exist from countries/unions that are no longer in existance [09:14] and it thinks its an mpeg? [09:14] like .su for Soviet Union TLD's. You can still register them with a Russian registrar. But who knows they may phase .su out. .za(I think it is) for Zaire is gone now. Same with East Germany. I don't know if any sites were using those TLD's but I'm looking into it. [09:15] Maybe something to put in the Wiki? Thoughts? (I've never edited a wiki) [09:15] Silent700: yes, apparently some tar files have weird content :) [09:15] odd [09:15] did East Germany ever have a tld? [09:15] .za is South Afrika, I think [09:15] "make music with lrzip" [09:16] maybe it's .zr.. I can't remember. but ya I think .dd was East germany. [09:16] Silent700: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dd [09:16] ah so [09:16] It didn't live very long and the implication is almost nobody used it. [09:28] Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Zaire, East Germany, .nato [09:28] Anyway... [09:49] Lord_Nigh: if you need someone to take ownership of a discferret and shovel things into it, I volunteer [09:49] I have a real job that pays money, and I like doing things involving the post office [10:24] you doing winamp.com? [10:25] We are. [10:25] Quite aggressively. [10:25] what parts [10:25] All of it, I believe. [10:26] is it in the warrior yet [10:26] Nah, it's just a single wget process job. [10:27] Warrior isn't needed for this. [10:28] so how do people help [10:29] With winamp? maybe finding obscure collections of them? [10:29] It's a little late here, people aren't as active right now. [10:29] well dont forget the skins too [10:30] allwinampskins.com (or something like that) is done. downloads.winamp.com is done [10:30] oh cool [10:30] forums and wiki are in progress [10:31] onwards and upwards gentlemen [10:58] QUOTE: My hope is that in 100 years, someone will go "Well, thank goodness they had THAT guy." [10:58] We'll see if they accept that as my "quote" [11:00] TITLE: Marshmallow or Fire Extinguishers: What Do You Bring to the Cultural Fire Sale? [11:01] Ahhhaha haha, they're going to love meee [11:01] marshmellows \o/ [11:02] maybe a idea to add these to winamp? http://www.oldversion.com/windows/winamp/ [11:03] http://i.imgur.com/etIPEUG.gif [11:03] hahahhaa [11:04] "shut r down, she's sucking mud again" [11:12] http://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1emh4r/urgent_delete_any_old_reddit_posts_you_dont_want/ [11:12] ha ha fuck those guys [11:15] on the tracker for hyves I have an icon before my nick when it showes up in the activity-list, what is that? [11:19] You are using the archiveteam warrior. [11:19] Some people are doing direct script downloads (non-vm) because they're on a whole other set of machines. [11:20] This differentiates between it. Both are valid systems, both provide excellent one, one is just easier to install on certain machines while the other allows people to put them in other locations. [11:21] "Archive Team is a bunch of jerks, lead by that big jerk guy that now works at Internet Archive." [11:23] thanks SketchCow [11:23] I am trying to install the warrior on a vmware-setup I have... its not easy, any hints or suggestions? [11:25] That reddit post, I have the guy tagged as "I EXPECT PRIVACY IN A PUBLIC FORUM", haha [11:31] Aluxity - one thing you might need to watch out for is that the warrior OVA image has two hard drives, but the second one needs to be changed to a different IDE or channel (or change type to SCSI - either will work) [11:31] That only seems to affect VMware - it doesn't like IDE slaves with no masters [11:32] antomatic: thanks, having some trouble importing the ova though.. working on converting it now [11:32] Apart from that the warrior image runs well under VMWare player on the PC, or VMware fusion on the mac [11:33] Atluxity: Oh! I know it does throw an error at first, but it gives an option to retry with a less strict setting and then it goes OK, for me at least [11:33] I have a couple of esx-hosts that sits too much idle :) [11:33] Admittedly I've never tried the image on dedicated iron. :) [11:33] I might just get the git repo manually and start the fun from there [11:34] for ESX you first need to convert it [11:34] I should have been clearer on that to begin with, I am not used to consider VMware player or fusion [11:35] if you wish, i have the image here that i created for esx [11:35] Alternatively, almost any linux machine or VM should be able to run the raw project scripts, which might be easier. [11:36] yeah, the beauty of you publishing exactly how the warrior works :D [11:37] SketchCow: the fear of being archived [11:37] does the fear have a name? [11:37] like a fobia? [11:37] we might need to create that [11:37] Mnemophobia [11:38] Latin would be archivophobia, but that sounds a bit made-up :) [11:39] SketchCow: that works both ways tho [11:39] the fear of forgetting and the fear of being remembered [11:44] yes [11:44] What, you think I play it simple? [11:47] so looks like KnuxSonic is uploading 60gb of g4 stuff back to g4rewind site [11:48] he is also playing a loop of kenny loggins "Danger Zone" [11:48] That's a full weekend right there. [11:49] he said it will take 24 hours with picture of progress bar [11:53] "Change is in the air, but it doesn't need to smell like smoke." [12:16] Are we creating quotes? [12:16] alright, got a hacked-up warrior running on a linux-host on my esx-rig [12:17] QUOTE: The startup space is ran by a bunch of kids with ADHD that don't know how to share. [12:18] I hope 10Gig is enough for the warrior [12:19] looks to be working like a champ so far [12:19] 10gig is more than enough. [12:19] sweet [12:19] The whole point of the warrior is that it doesn't use more than a gig or two. [12:19] It downloads a piece, and uploads that piece [12:19] So unless each piece is more than a certain amount,it's OK. [12:20] And here, the vast, VAST majority of users are under 10mb [12:30] would be fun to have a look at the traffic-graf for hyves, these last days versus recent times [12:31] must be like a super-nova, exploding in light just before it dies [12:31] I'm sure [12:36] Atluxity: so the speed is now sufficient? [12:36] what speed? [12:37] of download [12:37] 20k/h so about 19 hours to completion unless more users are added; looks so [12:38] oh, that speed [12:40] There's a lot of users to be added, Nemo_bis [12:40] They've got 6 million. [12:41] ah [12:42] so we're rather close to the deadline [12:42] Yeah, about a week left [12:52] There's a project channel for Hyves: #angerthehyve by the way. [14:05] thanks ersi [14:11] :) [15:28] Hellooooooo Kim! [15:29] http://dish2013.nl/sessions/keynote-jason-scott [15:32] Hello Jason [15:32] So tell me what would our students do? Are there directions somewhere? [15:32] Hey there! [15:33] So, there's a number of options. Since my speech at the event, Archive Team has created a bot, ArchiveBot, which allows you to call out URLs for it to save. [15:33] Cool [15:33] In this way, your students could find the URLs of critical items, and an assigned person can tell ArchiveBot to do something about it. [15:33] Would that fall under something sensical? [15:33] If you have a canned demo I can show it to my students as well. [15:34] Yes, very sensical! [15:34] Do you know how to switch channels? [15:34] Switch the #archivebot and say hello [16:27] Hey, AT. Any chance Winamp.com is going to be backed up? [16:28] already running on archivebot [16:28] http://archivebot.at.ninjawedding.org:4567/ [16:40] awesome :) [16:40] Great work you guys do. [19:01] is shoutcast going down with the winamp ship? [19:01] I notice the shoutcast blog is blank. [20:30] http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/ [20:56] not sure if want [21:00] so, it's unclear whether archivebot is going to be able to swallow the entire winamp forums [21:00] there may need to be a script thing like company of heroes [21:00] er city of heroes [21:01] the layout seems pretty simple [21:05] Is it me, or is any kind of information stating, "This site is going to be deleted for no good reason" gone from the Winamp site? [21:05] Ah, it's still there on /media-player [21:27] so have you guys heard about CBS streaming their JFK Assassination coverage this weekend? [21:27] I know archive team usually doesn't archive media like this [21:28] DFJustin: do any of the lua forum scripts seem applicable? [21:45] * nico_32 is seeking an IA admin [22:05] no idea [22:08] i'm surprised CBS would stream it.. it was what got disgraced Dan his big break (fired from CBS of course) [22:09] nico_32: for what? [22:17] Shoutcast no longer safe [22:17] http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/ [22:17] "We have also learned that AOL has been planning to announce the closure of Shoutcast next week." [22:17] Since people were asking about that yesterdayh [22:22] 15:41 <@SketchCow> http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/ [22:22] 17:28 < bananapwn> http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/ [22:23] woops [22:23] Solution, stay in channel 24/7 [22:23] no room archive? [22:24] that will teach me to leave irc, yes [22:24] there's a room archive. [22:24] you didn't check that either. [22:26] ok, found an archive, noted for the future [22:32] SketchCow: can you move this to the proper location: https://archive.org/details/ftp-berlin-idgames ? Thanks! [22:39] Done [22:41] Thanks! [22:41] SketchCow: and https://archive.org/details/CedricBlancherTribute ? please [22:44] Done [22:45] thanks :)