| Time |
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00:33
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Nemo_bis |
ete: if you mentioned the URL I'm sure someone would ingest it into archivebot |
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00:33
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ete |
does archivebot get google caches? |
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00:33
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Nemo_bis |
I don't remember |
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00:33
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ete |
because the wiki is not live on the web |
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00:34
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ete |
it's been replaced by a totally empty wiki |
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00:37
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ete |
I'm talking to one of the guys running it now |
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00:37
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ete |
still holding out some hope they can get it |
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00:42
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Nemo_bis |
good luck |
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00:44
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ete |
thanks |
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00:44
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ete |
urg |
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00:44
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ete |
backups. more backups. |
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00:49
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ete |
hm |
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00:49
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ete |
have you guys ever tried to get MW to turn https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExportAllowAll on by default? |
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00:51
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ete |
trying to resist shouting at people for not letting me know so i could grab a backup |
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00:51
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ete |
it'll probably make them less likely to help get it back.. |
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01:09
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DFJustin |
ete: what's the wiki, wikiteam might have archived it |
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01:09
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ete |
http://wiki.pokemon-online.eu/Main_Page |
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01:09
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ete |
I searched the internet archive list, but it may not have appeared there i guess |
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01:10
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ete |
https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Online_Wiki all the pages went away :( |
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01:11
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DFJustin |
nope doesn't look like it |
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07:06
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Nemo_bis |
Pity, we have a lot of pokemon wikis but not the one a contributor of ours needed :( https://archive.org/search.php?query=wiki%20pokemon |
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13:21
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Nemo_bis |
Hmm http://www.alliancepermanentaccess.org/index.php/training/aparsen-training-schedule/access-and-usability-training/ |
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15:48
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Nemo_bis |
Creative Yahoo! attempts at making people lose more data: upon changing password, the pw passes even if it contains disallowed symbols. When you try to login, it fails. |
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16:02
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joepie91_ |
Nemo_bis: the problem here is disallowed symbols in a password |
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16:05
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Nemo_bis |
joepie91_: on the other hand they allow up to 32 characters |
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16:05
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joepie91_ |
Nemo_bis: there should be no upper limit on passwords |
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16:06
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joepie91_ |
if password length causes a storage issue, you're storing passwords wrong |
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16:06
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Nemo_bis |
joepie91_: well I don't know the perfect solution; excessively secure passwords often reduce actual people's security because of how they store it |
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16:06
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joepie91_ |
Nemo_bis: wha? |
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16:07
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joepie91_ |
we're talking about limits, not requirements |
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16:07
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Nemo_bis |
they = the user |
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16:07
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joepie91_ |
/allowing/ for more secure passwords doesn't reduce security |
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16:07
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joepie91_ |
only /mandating/ them does |
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16:07
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Nemo_bis |
That's certainly not the issue, it's a balance they choose between making people stay secure and having too many people locked out of their accounts |
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16:07
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Nemo_bis |
I don't know. |
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16:07
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joepie91_ |
Nemo_bis: password length is not a valid metric for thatt |
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16:07
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joepie91_ |
nor is character set |
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16:09
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Nemo_bis |
I'm sure there's plent of research on the topic, I have no opinions. |
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16:09
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Nemo_bis |
Only that any requirement should be validated consistently. :) Of this I'm pretty sure. |
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16:09
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joepie91_ |
yes, all of which basically says "you can't estimate password security by length or charset alone" :P |
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16:09
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joepie91_ |
(and all of which is essentially ignored by people) |
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16:10
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Nemo_bis |
Password security is easy to assess. Sensible password policies not. |
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16:10
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joepie91_ |
no, password security is not /at all/ easy to assess |
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16:10
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joepie91_ |
that's a myth |
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16:11
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joepie91_ |
there's a reason the password strength estimators are so horribly broken everywhere |
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16:11
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joepie91_ |
https://tech.dropbox.com/2012/04/zxcvbn-realistic-password-strength-estimation/ |
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16:11
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Nemo_bis |
If it's not easy how comes all research agrees on the conclusions |
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16:11
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joepie91_ |
but even /then/ you run into the problem of localization |
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16:12
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joepie91_ |
Nemo_bis: because all research basically concludes "it's not easy" |
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16:12
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joepie91_ |
lol |
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16:12
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Nemo_bis |
"I don't know" is still an assessment |
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16:12
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joepie91_ |
have a read through the article I linked |
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16:12
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joepie91_ |
it outlines some common issues with assessment |
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16:12
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joepie91_ |
and lists the ones that it /doesn't/ solve |
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16:12
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joepie91_ |
and why they are a problem |
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16:13
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joepie91_ |
yes, but not a useful one |
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16:13
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Nemo_bis |
Sorry, we're talking past each other |
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16:13
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joepie91_ |
"password security is easy to assess" combined with "and the assessment will be 'I don't know'" |
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16:13
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joepie91_ |
may be technically valid |
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16:13
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joepie91_ |
but in practice that's pretty much worthless |
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16:13
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Nemo_bis |
All this stuff you're saying is correct but has nothing to do with what I was talking about, let's stop here please |
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16:13
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joepie91_ |
hm |
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16:13
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joepie91_ |
whoop whoop offtopic siren |
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16:13
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joepie91_ |
lol |
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17:20
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SketchCow |
Oh, that cute fire |
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17:23
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SketchCow |
Can people interested in helping us figure out Orkut go to #throatkut |
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17:25
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joepie91_ |
looks like Archive.org was used by NSA(/GCHQ?) peeps: https://pdf.yt/d/mLhBkBst5xHDtLGD (scroll down to 'MOUTH') |
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17:32
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DFJustin |
probably for the dudes uploading jihadi videos I guess |
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17:36
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SketchCow |
We always knew that. |
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17:36
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SketchCow |
State Department downloads all the jihadi stuff uploaded |
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17:41
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Nemo_bis |
Cute! More backups |
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17:42
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godane |
we are sort of the NSA honeypot |
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17:42
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godane |
upload stuff and the NSA also has |
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17:43
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godane |
but that with everything now anyways |
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18:38
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midas |
joepie91_: GCHQ is using mediawiki? |
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18:40
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midas |
for some reason that is even more impressive to me |
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18:40
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* |
midas moves to #archiveteam-bs |
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18:58
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Nemo_bis |
CIA too |
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19:30
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SketchCow |
Team, I have a tough but important task for you. |
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19:30
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SketchCow |
Using Firefox or Chrome, go to: |
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19:30
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SketchCow |
http://fos.textfiles.com/jsmess/pacman/mspacman/ |
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19:30
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SketchCow |
Press "5" to insert a coin. |
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19:30
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SketchCow |
Press "1" to start a game. |
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19:31
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SketchCow |
Then, tell me how the sound is "Poor, Good, Great", and what browser/version/os you're running |
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19:31
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SketchCow |
this is for science |
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19:31
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SketchCow |
and history |
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19:36
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SadDM |
SketchCow: nothing loading? Chrome 35.0.1916.153 on Win7-32 |
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19:38
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garyrh |
on Firefox 30.0, Fedora 64-bit, it sounds Great |
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20:05
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swebb |
Sketchcow: Argh!!! My Ears!!! |
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20:05
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swebb |
(OSX Mavericks) |
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20:05
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swebb |
Chrome |
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20:06
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swebb |
Sound quality: I hear the song and sounds but mixed with digital artifacts, so probably poor. |
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20:14
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Nemo_bis |
SketchCow: are you still interested if I have USB speakers fighting with kernel and Skype? |
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20:19
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Nemo_bis |
Chromium 35.0.1916.153, Linux 3.15.4-200.fc20.x86_64: sound unbearable (and it's not the speakers' fault) |
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20:22
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DFJustin |
if you hit F11 what does it show for the speed percentage |
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20:25
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ats_ |
swebb: Firefox 30 on Linux -- sound is OK, although you get horrid noises if you switch to a different tab (it'd be nicer to mute it if the tab's not active, somehow) |
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20:26
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ats_ |
SketchCow: even; sorry swebb |
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20:29
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joepie91_ |
SketchCow: extremely choppy/glitchy, but intended sounds are vaguely recognizable, chrome 35.0.1916.153, openSUSE 12.3, fullscreening briefly drops the speed percentage but then recovers to somewhere between 90 and 110 just like in non-fullscreen |
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20:30
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db48x |
pretty bad, with the speed jumping around between 20% and 120% |
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20:30
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db48x |
this is Firefox 33.0a1 |
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20:31
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db48x |
on windows, in this case |
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20:31
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joepie91_ |
speed is also jumpy for me, but stays within 90-110 range except for the first second after full-screening |
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20:32
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joepie91_ |
sidenote: it does not correctly capture key-down |
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20:32
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joepie91_ |
and scrolls the apge |
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20:32
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joepie91_ |
page * |
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20:34
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Nemo_bis |
DFJustin: around 40 %, with chromium and pulseaudio maxing out a CPU |
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20:34
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garyrh |
i also get glitchy noises when switching tabs |
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20:42
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DFJustin |
yeah if it's less than 100% the sound won't ever be good |
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20:49
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db48x |
emulating DMA just isn't ever going to be as good as actually having it :) |
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20:50
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db48x |
oh, this is an arcade game; it probably used an FM synthesizer or somesuch |
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20:52
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db48x |
same deal though |
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20:54
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db48x |
much better in chrome; it's better able to keep the speed up |
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20:55
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db48x |
could have something to do with the number of tabs I have open in Firefox though |
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21:02
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DFJustin |
yeah firefox actually has a speed edge with a fresh profile |
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21:04
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Ymgve |
fuck http://wiki.xentax.com/ |
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21:12
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Ymgve |
more info: http://pastebin.com/H0jbgbcu |
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21:12
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Ymgve |
"The pages were becoming a liability." |
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21:23
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SketchCow |
http://fos.textfiles.com/jsmess/pacman/mspacman/ |
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21:23
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SketchCow |
Can people try again? |
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21:24
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SketchCow |
Except make sure at the bottom it says: http://fos.textfiles.com/jsmess/pacman/mspacman/ |
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21:24
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SketchCow |
Sorry, I mean |
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21:24
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SketchCow |
Audio: frequency: 22050, channels: 2, samples: 512 |
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21:24
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DFJustin |
Ymgve: https://archive.org/details/wiki-wikixentaxcom |
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21:24
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Ymgve |
DFJustin: oh cool |
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21:25
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Ymgve |
SketchCow: what are we testing? |
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21:26
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schbirid |
guys, a friend of mine has gotten some juicy files and is looking for safe hosting that won't be taken down too quickly. i am not sure how juicy but some bigger companies might be unhappy. any suggestions where to host? would archive.org be ok for leaks? |
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21:26
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SketchCow |
Send it along. |
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21:26
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SketchCow |
Upload it. |
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21:26
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schbirid |
size is not even a bluray |
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21:26
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SketchCow |
Ymgve: If sound is decent. |
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21:26
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SketchCow |
Press 5, press 1 |
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21:26
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schbirid |
should i make him contact IA in advance to notify them about the possible takedown wishes? |
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21:27
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xmc |
nope, they can deal |
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21:27
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schbirid |
excellent, thanks |
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21:27
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garyrh |
SketchCow, runs pretty smoothly here, audio still glitches out if i switch tabs |
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21:28
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xmc |
archive.org: part of this complete leak strategy |
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21:28
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Ymgve |
sounds good, slight bit of noise |
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21:29
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Ymgve |
there's a "ticking" sound in the background of the intro song (though I've never played arcade ms pacman so I don't know how it should be) |
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21:30
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SketchCow |
Upload it, let me know, we'll generate a torrent |
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21:31
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schbirid |
the publically accessible metadata only includes the mail adress of the uploader, not the IP, right? |
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21:31
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schbirid |
we'd just create some throwaway account then |
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21:31
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garyrh |
mrs pacman normally sounds like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuycpL_AmHg |
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21:32
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xmc |
schbirid: right, so far as I know |
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21:32
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Ymgve |
no sound in Opera but I guess that's expected |
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21:33
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xmc |
schbirid: I don't see any IP addresses in https://catalogd.archive.org/log/316369520 |
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21:33
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xmc |
so I think not |
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21:33
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Ymgve |
sound is much better in Firefox (I tried with Chrome first) |
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21:34
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schbirid |
excellent |
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21:34
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xmc |
also IA is generally interested in minimizing IP address retention, so that makes sense |
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21:35
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SketchCow |
We don't keep IP logs |
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21:44
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swebb |
SketchCow: OSX Mavericks, Chrome, MUCH BETTER! |
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21:45
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schbirid |
oh IA, you are so awesome |
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21:45
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schbirid |
alright, thanks guys |
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21:45
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schbirid |
i'll help him with it and never talk about it again ;) |
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21:45
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xmc |
:) |
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21:45
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SketchCow |
Yeah. |
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21:49
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midas |
schbirid: just dump the torrent in a message to me so i can hide it on the internet ;) |
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21:52
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pft |
along those lines: what would the process be if i had pdfs of a small magazine from a provider whose longevity i feared? woul di upload them into a collection and then ask in here to have it switched dark? could ic ontinue uploading to it once it was dark? |
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21:53
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schbirid |
you can dark items yourself, you cannot undarken them though. once dark, you cannot add/edit to them. |
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21:53
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pft |
ahh :| |
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21:54
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schbirid |
be aware that the mail address of the uploader is publically visible if someone bothers to look for it |
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21:54
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pft |
oh, i am. |
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21:54
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pft |
this is why i am asking and planning before doing ;) |
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21:54
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schbirid |
:> |
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23:23
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dashcloud |
holy crap- there really is a project now to bring back as much of Prodigy as possible: http://www.vintagecomputing.com/index.php/archives/1063/bringing-prodigy-back-from-the-dead |
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23:36
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xmc |
dashcloud: oh nice |