[00:00] utzoo doesn't even get all newsgroups, for example it's missing a lot of mod.* groups currently [00:00] plan..: ok. i'll dig a bit further through the IETF material to see if anything ever came out of his offer .. try to get the details of his caches, and if it won't add any new msg-ids prod him for the ISOs and artwork just for the heck of archiving stuff [00:00] (of course by "currently", I always mean "exactly 30 years ago") [00:01] closure: yeah, but maybe he was just a leaf of utzoo back then .. and there are only a handfull of messages to be recovered in it [00:01] and yeah, even isos with every post the same have archival value. It would tell us how well utzoo did retain stuff [00:02] closure: very true, and i really want to hear his story, .. man, that's like these tapes that were being flown to australia [00:03] usenet on CD .. haha [00:03] but utzoo had disk crashes and stuff. I'll be astounded if they managed to not lose every item. They were using tapes for crying out loud ;) [00:03] Anyway, the point is, archive.org will gladly host any data from anywhere that people have for anything, usenet included. [00:03] So if someone wants to take that on, great. [00:04] Just like I've been sitting here imaging Apple II floppies. [00:06] *** Riviera has joined #archiveteam [00:08] *** LordNigh2 has joined #archiveteam [00:08] i switched off a 1TB spool in 2002 with posts going back to 1998 :-( [00:08] http://www.restart.be/history/eunet-news.html [00:09] :( [00:11] That's how it goes [00:14] SketchCow: yeah, one of the ways these things go .. big difference between company going bust and a company just saying, fuck yahou users.. [00:14] Anyway, point is, if someone wants to connect all the dots and reach out, go for it. [00:14] Archive.org has a lot, and can be a good general bit [00:15] In the future, a la closure's work, archive.org should really host a way to read these items. [00:16] * closure wonders what is the total size of all items in https://archive.org/details/usenethistorical [00:17] hmm, maybe this will tell me https://archive.org/download/usenet-metadata/original_usenet_lsaltr.txt [00:17] total 2786095064 [00:17] *** Lord_Nigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 606 seconds) [00:17] *** LordNigh2 is now known as Lord_Nigh [00:20] when i operated that platform we assumed volume doubling every year [00:20] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:21] looks like that is 2.5 tb compressed, if I got the block size right [00:22] where: &w_collection=usenethistorical* | size: 695,311,412 KB [00:23] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam [00:25] hmm, I dug into the "special" collection and noticed it has some groups from before the great renaming. 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[16:23] *** ohhdemgir has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [16:23] Snooty quote from the British Library: [16:23] "The U.K. has what’s known as a legal-deposit law; it requires copies of everything published in Britain to be deposited in the British Library. In 2013, that law was revised to include everything published on the U.K. Web. “People put their private lives up there, and we actually don’t want that stuff,” Andy Jackson, the technical head of the U.K. Web Archive, told me. “We don’t want a [16:23] nything that you wouldn’t consider a publication.” [16:27] I had hoped they would be cooler than that, honestly. Ho hum. [16:28] *** ZorbaTHut has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [16:28] *** Morbus has quit IRC (http://www.disobey.com/) [16:28] *** Morbus has joined #archiveteam [16:37] Ha ha, Andy Jackson's a buddy [16:37] We follow each other on the twitters. 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[21:31] OMG, DEY GUNNA SHUTDOWN :@ [21:31] you're shitting me [21:31] they actually used that phrase [21:32] that entire article is comedy gold, read it [21:32] Everybody wants to know what were going to do with all that money. First of all, of course were going to gold-plate the Aeron chairs in the office. Then were going to upgrade the game room, and were already sending lox platters to our highest-rep users. [21:32] hm... [21:32] and its not even april 1st yet ._. [21:42] *** ruukasu has joined #archiveteam [21:42] *** Start_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:46] *** webmirc has joined #archiveteam [21:46] *** webmirc has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [21:46] *** Start has joined #archiveteam [21:54] *** sankin has quit IRC (Leaving.) 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