[00:27] *** SmileyG has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:28] *** Marc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:30] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [00:31] *** Start has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:31] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam [00:31] *** Marc has joined #archiveteam [00:33] *** Start has joined #archiveteam [00:34] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [00:34] Discovery of blogger is going to start tomorrow [00:35] because of the captchas popping up if we go too fast, we'll need a lot of ips [00:35] if you know people who can help us out, please let them know [00:37] *** Smiley has joined #archiveteam [00:39] Ask Kenshin [00:41] SketchCow: just for confirmation, are we really going to download the full blogger? [00:41] that will be very very big [00:49] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam [00:51] do it [00:51] arkiver, how big guesstimate [00:52] *** GLaDOS has joined #archiveteam [00:52] *** swebb sets mode: +o GLaDOS [01:11] *** aaaaaaaaa has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:13] *** Specular has joined #archiveteam [01:14] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam [01:15] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:21] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam [01:21] *** Spring has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:31] *** signius has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:32] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [01:35] *** Spring has joined #archiveteam [01:40] *** Specular has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 370 seconds) [01:46] *** signius has joined #archiveteam [02:06] *** Specular has joined #archiveteam [02:16] *** Spring has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:19] We're going to try and download a lot of it [02:19] With an eye towards blogs that match "sex", "eros", "nude" [02:26] *** Ymgve has quit IRC () [02:39] *** RedType_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [02:58] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:29] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [03:38] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.homelien.no) [03:38] *** NovaKing has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.homelien.no) [03:38] *** maltris has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.homelien.no) [03:38] *** ionpulse has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.homelien.no) [03:38] *** pikhq has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.homelien.no) [03:38] *** altlabel has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.homelien.no) [03:38] *** Jogie has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.homelien.no) [03:42] *** maltris_ has joined #archiveteam [03:45] paging ohhdemgir [03:45] ^ [03:45] it's what he was born for! [03:45] *** NovaKing_ has joined #archiveteam [03:47] im ready to gear up a shit ton of machines to help :) [03:54] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam [04:03] *** Spring has joined #archiveteam [04:04] *** SN4T14 has joined #archiveteam [04:11] *** Specular has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [04:51] *** Spring has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 362 seconds) [04:58] arkiver: i'll step in once you stablize the code :) [05:00] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:23] *** aaaaaaaaa has quit IRC (Leaving) [05:38] *** nwf has quit IRC (WeeChat 1.0.1) [05:39] *** nwf has joined #archiveteam [05:45] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [05:46] i'm wondering when we should start projects for angelfire and tripod [05:47] that way we can have all three major 90s web hosts backed up [05:48] also, did the geocities archive include sites from geocities japan? 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[09:38] That was quick: [09:38] http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/google-reverses-blogger-porn-ban/ [09:46] *** eprillios has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 506 seconds) [09:52] *** eprillios has joined #archiveteam [09:59] *** Famicoman has joined #archiveteam [10:09] I like the imagine it's because of SketchCow shouting at them yesterday [10:12] ohhdemgir: full blogger would be many 10's of TB's I think [10:13] Kenshin S[h]O[r]T: thanks! I'll keep you informed [10:13] so do we still want blogger or do we close the project now? http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/google-reverses-blogger-porn-ban/ [10:14] if they're going to keep things and only target commerical porn, i feel there's no rush to archive it [10:16] full blogger [10:16] >300TB [10:18] well... why not have blogger on our project-list anyway? If we get to it then why not have it as a large project warriors can work with when there is nothing else? [10:18] *** swebb has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [10:19] would it be hard to de-duplicate if they announce a shutdown later? [10:19] just do an incremental grab then? [10:19] 'cause storage is expensive [10:22] *** swebb has joined #archiveteam [10:23] *** Ymgve has joined #archiveteam [10:25] deduplicating is hard with 300 TB [10:26] and the storage is a problem, but if they announce to go away a week before shutdown we'll not have enough time to save everything [10:26] so a slow constant proect [10:26] project* would be good [10:34] why is deduplicating hard? [10:35] You need to crunch a lot and keep a lot of data in memory [10:35] tldr "resource intensive and complex task" [10:35] is it not just a matter of comparing hashes? [10:35] either perceptual hash or md5 [10:37] file size is a decent first pass too [11:32] depending on storage solution, some have it buildt in [11:33] but without knowing the storage in detail it is hard to plan for [11:34] implementing in pipeline software would certainly be a challenge [11:34] but maybe a constant big project could be better than nothing at all? [12:00] *** slash` has joined #archiveteam [12:25] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam [12:32] I agree with Atluxity, it'd be really good to have a big, ongoing, unhurried project that can serve as a backstop for hungry warriors with nothing else to do [12:35] Google/Blogger have demonstrated that their whims are arbitrary and changeable [12:35] so a pre-emptive grab, over time, seems like a worthwhile investmenet. [12:35] *investment [12:38] As regards deduplicating, perhaps the project could keep track of the time/date of each blog's grab, so that future grabs (if done) can use the blogger features to grab 'everything since' that date, etc [12:40] it should be a solvable problem [12:48] ah, I did not know of such a feature [12:50] something like /search?updated-min=yyyy-mm-ddThh:mm:ssZ&max-results=499 [12:51] That's a good idea [12:51] that's not so hard to implement [12:52] if SketchCow thinks it's good to do and we are good on space, I think we should do that [12:52] update every month [12:57] Mm, that works - e.g. "everything since Jan 1st 2014" is expressed like: http://buzz.blogger.com/search?updated-min=2014-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=499 [12:58] that's blogger.com but the same works on blogspot.com [13:04] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:11] *** wp494_ has quit IRC (Quit: LOUD UNNECESSARY QUIT MESSAGES) [13:11] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam [13:21] *** signius has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:24] *** ohhdemgir has joined #archiveteam [13:34] *** signius has joined #archiveteam [13:46] *** sankin has joined #archiveteam [14:50] *** sankin has quit IRC (Leaving.) [14:58] *** sankin has joined #archiveteam [15:01] so whos writing the discovery for blogger? [15:02] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [15:04] ohhdemgir: arkiver is/was writing disco scripts [15:22] *** khaoohs_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 306 seconds) [15:28] discovery scripts are ready [15:28] not started yet, but ready [15:32] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [15:50] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:53] *** mhazinsk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 186 seconds) [15:56] *** mhazinsk has joined #archiveteam [16:11] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [16:15] I take partial credit for the reversal, because they used some of my language [16:16] My attitude on Blogger grabs is: [16:16] - Grab the oldest blogs (most likely to die in some arbitrary cull) [16:16] - Grab the biggest blogs (less likely, but good to hace) [16:17] - Grab blogs with words like "erotic", "sex-positive" or "adult-oriented" in the search results, as those are now shown to be second class citizens [16:17] That can go on for a while [16:17] Also, getting discovery going and making frameworks is also important. Having record of what was out there can be really helpful for researchers. [16:19] Ok, we'll run the discovery and filter for those sex oriented words and I'll run a discovery to check which blogs request a verification of age [16:20] we could also discover blogs by abusing the next blog button on the navbar [16:20] So the idea to grab everything and update regularly is off? [16:22] Biggest blogs is biggest as in a lot of visitors or biggest as in a lot of posts? We can check the number of posts easy, but number of vistors would be a bit harder. That would have to be user submitted [16:26] arkiver, ready.. so lets start? [16:31] *** khaoohs has joined #archiveteam [16:31] *** oli_ has joined #archiveteam [16:33] *** oli has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** Rickster has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** Muad-Dib has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** GLaDOS has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** WubTheCap has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** Sue_ has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** nox has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** danneh_ has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** LittUp has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** deathy has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** russss has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:33] *** lhobas has quit IRC (hub.se efnet.port80.se) [16:36] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam [16:37] *** Sue__ has joined #archiveteam [16:42] Sorry, biggest in terms of popularity. [16:42] These are just arbitrary things, just to do instead of a full deep scan. [16:48] I like the generall idea of having a big project to work on in more idle time for our warriors [16:48] Who doesn't :) [16:49] it is not motivating for a user running a warrior to see it being idle [16:49] *** oli_ is now known as oli [16:49] That has been obvious for quite some time, yeah :) [16:49] *** WubTheCap has joined #archiveteam [17:08] *** Spring has joined #archiveteam [17:12] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:21] one note btw, there are blogs that use their own domains [17:21] but still use blogger's platform [17:27] *** Start_ has joined #archiveteam [17:27] *** Start has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:27] *** Start_ is now known as Start [17:36] once we've got more of the upcoming projects out of the way, i'd like to start projects for some of the isp web hosts we've found at #webroasting [17:36] not sure which order they'd be done in [17:37] maybe oldest/biggest/most decayed first [17:38] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam [17:46] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [17:59] *** xmc sets mode: +o swebb [18:06] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [18:07] *** mistym_ has joined #archiveteam [18:16] *** mistym has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) [18:27] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam [18:34] *** slash` has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 512 seconds) [18:36] *** balrog has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 512 seconds) [18:37] *** balrog has joined #archiveteam [18:37] *** swebb sets mode: +o balrog [18:37] *** thefinn93 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 606 seconds) [18:43] *** Nickname has joined #archiveteam [18:43] http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/02/25/2313241/argonne-national-laboratory-shuts-down-online-ask-a-scientist-program [18:44] NEWTON is (soon to be was) an on online repository of science questions submitted by school children from around the world. [18:44] got it [18:44] http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/?q=newton [18:44] *** thefinn93 has joined #archiveteam [18:48] @yipdw: Sorry for asking then. I was unable to find it in the wiki. [18:48] Did you really get everything? [18:48] no apologies needed, just wanted to point it out [18:48] I haven't done a thorough check but glancing over the logs it doesn't look dreadfully bad [18:49] if you'd like to verify, you can use https://github.com/ikreymer/webarchiveplayer [18:50] download https://archive.org/download/archiveteam_archivebot_go_20150227000003/www.newton.dep.anl.gov-inf-20150226-022927-cm6eh-00000.warc.gz and load it into the player [18:50] actually i'll do that now [18:53] so the archivebot http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/?q=newton , shows files that are already saved on archive.org? [18:55] Nickname: yeah, it's an index of the archivebot collection in IA, which in turn gets ingested into the Wayback Machine eventually [18:55] Wayback works but there are details that I've found that other tools currently render better [18:55] infinite-scroll for example [18:56] so pywb/webarchiveplayer/etc [18:58] What should I even look for? (Isn't there a Tool to check for broken links or detect suspicious external/internal Links?)(Oh infinite-scroll how I hate thee...) [19:00] wget can check for broken links. [19:01] Nickname: I suggest as a first step downloading the WARC and looking through it manually, comparing it against Newton [19:01] once it looks like the copy is reasonably faithful it's good up to the point that you trust our spiders [19:02] the crawler is https://github.com/chfoo/wpull [19:02] I guess you could run a link check on the loaded WARC, I don't know of any tools to do that [19:02] it's also ambiguous -- a 404 in the WARC could very well be a 404 on the captured site [19:04] hmm. The Internet Archive's sites are offline for scheduled maintenance and upgrades. Oh well. I'll check back later. [19:07] Does the WARC capture 404-at-crawl Events? [19:09] (Capturing the received Error-Page could also be useful, for checking Purposes.) 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[19:41] * Smiley sounds the sirens [19:41] Last.fm is going to switch codebases in the first two weeks of April [19:41] Opinion of these folks is... it's not going to well [19:42] *** RedType has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [19:42] Code music data likely to survive, but some user generated material may die [19:42] From latter: [19:42] There are 1m+ forum posts spanning nearly 11 years across global [19:42] forums (which you can see at http://www.last.fm/forum) and group [19:42] forums. The good news is all the forums are accessible by incrementing [19:42] the ID at the end of http://www.last.fm/forum/. They are spread [19:42] across a mostly-continuous ID namespace. [19:42] 'm also slightly concerned about user journals (e.g. [19:42] http://www.last.fm/user/Russ/journal), but that's more difficult as [19:42] there's no easy way of enumerating users, short of crawling similar [19:42] user/friends lists. [19:42] I'd also suggest archiving blog.last.fm during this switchover as [19:42] hilarity is likely to ensue. [19:42] ... [19:42] That's all. [19:43] So I think a project is worth it [19:43] I suggest #lastchance.fm [19:46] their blog is in archivebot [19:46] last post was jan. 2014 [19:47] last.fm's name is self-parodying [19:48] didntlast.fm [19:49] wontlast [19:50] camelast.fm, etc. etc [19:52] *** Stilett0 has joined #archiveteam [19:52] *** Stilett0 has left [20:13] *** kyan has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [20:17] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam [20:17] Google has updated their updated policy. doesn't look (quite) as bad anymore [20:17] https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!category-topic/blogger/jAep2mLabQY [20:18] i'm guessing we're grabbing anyway, huh? [20:21] no rules no masters #yolo [20:29] oh well ok then [20:30] *** lag has joined #archiveteam [20:38] *** Nickname has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [20:38] We went over how we're doing blogger. [20:38] Grab old blogs, grab sexy and erotic blogs [20:39] Don't go nuts, but save from them because they're obviously not so hot [20:41] thanks. i saw the scrollback from 10 hours ago but missed the update 4 hours ago [20:47] *** lag2 has joined #archiveteam [20:51] *** lag has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [20:59] *** RedType_ has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [20:59] *** RedType has joined #archiveteam [21:10] *** mistym_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [21:56] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam [22:01] *** sankin has quit IRC (Leaving.) 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