#archiveteam 2015-03-09,Mon

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01:08 🔗 joepie91_ [18:29] <Sanqui> [18:34:54] Is there something other than the WaybackMachine I can check for removed/expired pastebins?
01:08 🔗 joepie91_ do you have a date?
01:08 🔗 joepie91_ or a keyword that it contains
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03:09 🔗 joepie91_ http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/08/game-over/
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03:41 🔗 joepie91_ is there some kind of archiving going on of blendswap?
03:42 🔗 joepie91_ they apparently introduced paid plans a while ago, and now free accounts are limited to 200MB/mo...
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08:38 🔗 Sanqui joepie91_: thanks, I don't need it any more (redid the contents)
09:28 🔗 GLaDOS xmc: nothing that won't need anything special from me
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14:53 🔗 xmc ok
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18:22 🔗 bzc6p The tracker's Munin graphs don't work since today
18:22 🔗 bzc6p http://zeppelin.xrtc.net/corp.xrtc.net/shilling.corp.xrtc.net/index.html#archiveteam
18:25 🔗 bzc6p Also, swebb's (?) IRC logs don't work either since Feb 24
18:25 🔗 bzc6p (The latter my have already been reported; if so, sorry for the duplicate)
18:25 🔗 bzc6p *may
18:25 🔗 balrog bzc6p: chfoo has logs too
18:25 🔗 bzc6p I know
18:26 🔗 xmc bzc6p: thanks for reminding me. it rebooted. i think nginx doesn't start on boot. fixed now.
18:26 🔗 * xmc bad sysadmin
18:26 🔗 bzc6p Thanks.
18:26 🔗 bzc6p Never mind
18:26 🔗 xmc np
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18:55 🔗 swebb bzc6p: Oops. Sorry. I'll fix it now.
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18:57 🔗 swebb bzc6p: Fixed. Thanks for the heads up.
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20:20 🔗 SketchCow I'm going to be trying to clear out FOS of projects again, mostly because a few have puffed up. (Many have not.)
20:21 🔗 SketchCow testflight, for example
20:30 🔗 arkiver Yes, testflight is finished
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21:55 🔗 schbirid just a quick yes/no question: there are tools to extract the "files" from a warc.gz, correct?
21:56 🔗 garyrh yes
21:56 🔗 schbirid thanks
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22:51 🔗 rolfb *pokes SketchCow*
23:08 🔗 rolfb i guess i just missed
23:28 🔗 ersi Say what you want to say instead of pinging, if you have something to you want to say :)
23:28 🔗 ersi IRC class 101
23:29 🔗 rolfb ersi: yeah, i know, but he emailed me some days ago hoping he would be here at the same time as me
23:30 🔗 rolfb and here I am staying up past my bedtime ... ;-)
23:30 🔗 SketchCow Burp
23:30 🔗 SketchCow Why is it important I be on here versus e-mail?
23:30 🔗 xmc this way we can misunderstand each other more quickly
23:30 🔗 rolfb SketchCow: i don't know, you said you hoped to find me here
23:30 🔗 rolfb i'm ok with email :)
23:30 🔗 joepie91_ [00:30] <xmc> this way we can misunderstand each other more quickly
23:30 🔗 joepie91_ framing that one
23:31 🔗 SketchCow Well, all of these maniacs have as much access, skill and power as I can bring to the table.
23:31 🔗 rolfb SketchCow: it's about Gitorious
23:31 🔗 SketchCow I know.
23:31 🔗 SketchCow Oh I know
23:31 🔗 rolfb I'm already sensing that this will be way more confusing than email :-)
23:32 🔗 SketchCow There are two possibilities here.
23:32 🔗 SketchCow 1. Pack up all the "Gitorious Data" and send it to me on a drive.
23:32 🔗 SketchCow 2. Let some ad-hoc gang of the Archive Team scour Gitorious and pull it into the Wayback.
23:32 🔗 rolfb you don't want us to massage it into nice IA items for you?
23:33 🔗 SketchCow Not particularly, no. I'd rather a big-ass tar file.
23:33 🔗 rolfb well, I guess option 1 is best then
23:34 🔗 xmc SketchCow: why would you not prefer individual items?
23:34 🔗 SketchCow I would love, while we're here, to hear the earth shattering, justifiable reason for shutting down gitorious just because another company acquired it.
23:34 🔗 SketchCow Spoiler: There is none
23:34 🔗 xmc amen
23:34 🔗 SketchCow Extra bonus if you use one of the following two phrases.
23:35 🔗 rolfb it's not shutting down because it was acquired
23:35 🔗 SketchCow 1. "Let me speak to you privately and I'll explain." (money, money, money, money and money)
23:35 🔗 SketchCow 2. "It's a very good reason" (No)
23:35 🔗 * joepie91_ grabs the bingo sheet
23:35 🔗 xmc *snerk*
23:36 🔗 SketchCow You could make it static, and then let it slowly drift into transition into other services.
23:36 🔗 SketchCow I mean, that's not hard.
23:36 🔗 SketchCow xmc: Individual items? One per git project, loaded into IA, where it's not really going to make sense? No.
23:36 🔗 SketchCow I'd rather get a big fat tar and then some genius can do "the right thing"
23:36 🔗 rolfb what do you mean static? we're hosting git repositories
23:36 🔗 xmc all right
23:37 🔗 SketchCow Make them read-only
23:37 🔗 SketchCow All of them
23:37 🔗 SketchCow People will leave, and migrate, to be sure
23:38 🔗 xmc somewhat unrelatedly, i've got a repo in my github account that i converted from a darcs repo that wayback indexed like ten years ago https://github.com/chronomex/bencode-erlang
23:39 🔗 ersi Holy moly
23:39 🔗 rolfb what about the ones that are "dead", and wouldn't migrate but still have historic. well, may have, historic value?
23:40 🔗 xmc rolfb: right. why would you turn off the urls that they're at.
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23:40 🔗 SketchCow Those are exactly the ones that perfect to be static
23:40 🔗 SketchCow And stay up at that domain
23:40 🔗 ersi mmh, smashing tombstones~
23:40 🔗 rolfb who would keep it running?
23:41 🔗 joepie91_ rolfb: for a static copy of something, "keeping it running" doesn't really mean much more than replacing a HDD when it does
23:41 🔗 joepie91_ dies *
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23:41 🔗 xmc and inserting money into dns
23:42 🔗 rolfb joepie91_: and bandwidth
23:42 🔗 SketchCow :)
23:42 🔗 joepie91_ rolfb: bandwidth is cheap
23:42 🔗 SketchCow (money, money, money, money and money)
23:42 🔗 xmc i'll buy the domainname off of you for whatever the transfer fee is and we can make sure things stay around
23:43 🔗 SketchCow Anyway, rolfb, you got your chat with me. E-mail me about sending a drive with all the data.
23:44 🔗 rolfb SketchCow: thanks, i'll look into the ideas presented here as well
23:44 🔗 SketchCow If you want to stick around and get poked in the cute little nose, feel free.
23:44 🔗 joepie91_ rolfb: realistically, depending on your upstreams, a datacenter is going to charge you anywhere from $0.30 - $5 per TB of traffic
23:44 🔗 SketchCow But if you do....
23:44 🔗 SketchCow advice, do not try and educate Archive Team on "the way the world works"
23:44 🔗 joepie91_ not including bandwidth/uplink
23:44 🔗 rolfb SketchCow: thanks, I won't. I'm not proud of this
23:44 🔗 joepie91_ usually around $0.50-$5 per mbps on the cheaper end, on 95th percentile billing
23:45 🔗 joepie91_ in other words: you can run a static copy off pocket money
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23:45 🔗 xmc i'm more than happy to run a static copy off pocket money
23:47 🔗 rolfb xmc: we average 60 mbps on the 95h percentile, guessing it will be higher as people are migrating
23:48 🔗 rolfb 95th, even
23:48 🔗 joepie91_ that'll almost certainly drop off after the first month or two
23:48 🔗 rolfb probably
23:49 🔗 joepie91_ so that's 18.5TB/mo assuming 60mbps
23:49 🔗 joepie91_ roughly
23:49 🔗 joepie91_ if my calc is correct
23:49 🔗 joepie91_ that's not a lot
23:50 🔗 joepie91_ you could even run that off a random high-bandwidth VPS, really
23:50 🔗 joepie91_ at an arbitrary VPS provider
23:50 🔗 joepie91_ rolfb: how much data is it? in GB
23:50 🔗 xmc iirc 700ish?
23:51 🔗 rolfb it's 4.5 TB
23:51 🔗 xmc ok
23:51 🔗 xmc and i assume you've gc'd your repos
23:51 🔗 rolfb yes, we run gc regularly
23:51 🔗 joepie91_ rolfb: xmc: moment
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23:53 🔗 joepie91_ rolfb: xmc: http://www.soyoustart.com/en/disk/
23:53 🔗 joepie91_ 250mbps unmetered if I am not mistaken
23:54 🔗 joepie91_ yes, budget box, but more than enough for a static copy
23:54 🔗 xmc hrm
23:54 🔗 joepie91_ or https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/px70
23:54 🔗 joepie91_ 30TB traffic/mo
23:54 🔗 joepie91_ 2x4TB disk
23:54 🔗 joepie91_ not sure if they have bigger plamns
23:54 🔗 joepie91_ plans *
23:54 🔗 * xmc nods
23:55 🔗 joepie91_ https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-sx
23:55 🔗 joepie91_ cheapest one comes with 30TB traffic also
23:55 🔗 joepie91_ 4x4TB SATA, 30TB traffic, 69 euro/mo
23:55 🔗 joepie91_ specifically https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/sx60
23:56 🔗 xmc ok
23:56 🔗 xmc anyway, yeah
23:56 🔗 joepie91_ and they charge 1.39euro/TB overage
23:56 🔗 xmc not too bad at all
23:56 🔗 joepie91_ indeed
23:57 🔗 xmc anyway, rolfb, if you're willing to hand over control of the domain and stuff to me, i'd be more than happy to run it indefinitely
23:57 🔗 joepie91_ more possible plans at https://robot.your-server.de/order/market/sortcol/hd/sorttype/up/page/1#386343
23:57 🔗 xmc and now i'm going to go back to work so i can attempt to earn the money to do more ridiculous computer things
23:57 🔗 rolfb xmc: i've gotten an OK to hand over domain and data, but with one caveat
23:57 🔗 xmc oh?
23:58 🔗 joepie91_ xmc: lol, that's how life works isn't it
23:58 🔗 joepie91_ :p
23:58 🔗 ersi [curiosity intensifies]
23:58 🔗 joepie91_ heh
23:58 🔗 xmc ^
23:58 🔗 rolfb i'm really sorry
23:58 🔗 ersi secret sauce deployed
23:58 🔗 ersi :)
23:59 🔗 rolfb the request is that it's read-only and that there's a notice about switching/migrating to gitlab
23:59 🔗 xmc sure thing
23:59 🔗 xmc i'm contemplating an apache instance with a bunch of bare repos in it that support being cloned from
23:59 🔗 joepie91_ xmc: you sure apache is the best option for that?
23:59 🔗 xmc and a banner at the top of the directory index
23:59 🔗 xmc i have no idea
23:59 🔗 xmc maybe nginx

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