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[18:29] <Sanqui> [18:34:54] Is there something other than the WaybackMachine I can check for removed/expired pastebins? |
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joepie91_ |
do you have a date? |
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or a keyword that it contains |
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http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/08/game-over/ |
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is there some kind of archiving going on of blendswap? |
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they apparently introduced paid plans a while ago, and now free accounts are limited to 200MB/mo... |
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joepie91_: thanks, I don't need it any more (redid the contents) |
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xmc: nothing that won't need anything special from me |
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ok |
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bzc6p |
The tracker's Munin graphs don't work since today |
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bzc6p |
http://zeppelin.xrtc.net/corp.xrtc.net/shilling.corp.xrtc.net/index.html#archiveteam |
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Also, swebb's (?) IRC logs don't work either since Feb 24 |
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(The latter my have already been reported; if so, sorry for the duplicate) |
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bzc6p |
*may |
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balrog |
bzc6p: chfoo has logs too |
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bzc6p |
I know |
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xmc |
bzc6p: thanks for reminding me. it rebooted. i think nginx doesn't start on boot. fixed now. |
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xmc bad sysadmin |
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bzc6p |
Thanks. |
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bzc6p |
Never mind |
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np |
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bzc6p: Oops. Sorry. I'll fix it now. |
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SketchCow |
I'm going to be trying to clear out FOS of projects again, mostly because a few have puffed up. (Many have not.) |
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testflight, for example |
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arkiver |
Yes, testflight is finished |
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schbirid |
just a quick yes/no question: there are tools to extract the "files" from a warc.gz, correct? |
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garyrh |
yes |
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schbirid |
thanks |
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rolfb |
*pokes SketchCow* |
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rolfb |
i guess i just missed |
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ersi |
Say what you want to say instead of pinging, if you have something to you want to say :) |
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ersi |
IRC class 101 |
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rolfb |
ersi: yeah, i know, but he emailed me some days ago hoping he would be here at the same time as me |
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rolfb |
and here I am staying up past my bedtime ... ;-) |
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SketchCow |
Burp |
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SketchCow |
Why is it important I be on here versus e-mail? |
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xmc |
this way we can misunderstand each other more quickly |
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rolfb |
SketchCow: i don't know, you said you hoped to find me here |
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rolfb |
i'm ok with email :) |
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joepie91_ |
[00:30] <xmc> this way we can misunderstand each other more quickly |
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joepie91_ |
framing that one |
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SketchCow |
Well, all of these maniacs have as much access, skill and power as I can bring to the table. |
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rolfb |
SketchCow: it's about Gitorious |
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I know. |
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SketchCow |
Oh I know |
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rolfb |
I'm already sensing that this will be way more confusing than email :-) |
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SketchCow |
There are two possibilities here. |
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1. Pack up all the "Gitorious Data" and send it to me on a drive. |
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2. Let some ad-hoc gang of the Archive Team scour Gitorious and pull it into the Wayback. |
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rolfb |
you don't want us to massage it into nice IA items for you? |
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Not particularly, no. I'd rather a big-ass tar file. |
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rolfb |
well, I guess option 1 is best then |
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xmc |
SketchCow: why would you not prefer individual items? |
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SketchCow |
I would love, while we're here, to hear the earth shattering, justifiable reason for shutting down gitorious just because another company acquired it. |
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SketchCow |
Spoiler: There is none |
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xmc |
amen |
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SketchCow |
Extra bonus if you use one of the following two phrases. |
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rolfb |
it's not shutting down because it was acquired |
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SketchCow |
1. "Let me speak to you privately and I'll explain." (money, money, money, money and money) |
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SketchCow |
2. "It's a very good reason" (No) |
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joepie91_ grabs the bingo sheet |
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xmc |
*snerk* |
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SketchCow |
You could make it static, and then let it slowly drift into transition into other services. |
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SketchCow |
I mean, that's not hard. |
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SketchCow |
xmc: Individual items? One per git project, loaded into IA, where it's not really going to make sense? No. |
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SketchCow |
I'd rather get a big fat tar and then some genius can do "the right thing" |
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rolfb |
what do you mean static? we're hosting git repositories |
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xmc |
all right |
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SketchCow |
Make them read-only |
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SketchCow |
All of them |
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SketchCow |
People will leave, and migrate, to be sure |
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xmc |
somewhat unrelatedly, i've got a repo in my github account that i converted from a darcs repo that wayback indexed like ten years ago https://github.com/chronomex/bencode-erlang |
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ersi |
Holy moly |
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rolfb |
what about the ones that are "dead", and wouldn't migrate but still have historic. well, may have, historic value? |
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xmc |
rolfb: right. why would you turn off the urls that they're at. |
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SketchCow |
Those are exactly the ones that perfect to be static |
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SketchCow |
And stay up at that domain |
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ersi |
mmh, smashing tombstones~ |
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rolfb |
who would keep it running? |
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joepie91_ |
rolfb: for a static copy of something, "keeping it running" doesn't really mean much more than replacing a HDD when it does |
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joepie91_ |
dies * |
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xmc |
and inserting money into dns |
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rolfb |
joepie91_: and bandwidth |
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SketchCow |
:) |
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joepie91_ |
rolfb: bandwidth is cheap |
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SketchCow |
(money, money, money, money and money) |
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xmc |
i'll buy the domainname off of you for whatever the transfer fee is and we can make sure things stay around |
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SketchCow |
Anyway, rolfb, you got your chat with me. E-mail me about sending a drive with all the data. |
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rolfb |
SketchCow: thanks, i'll look into the ideas presented here as well |
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SketchCow |
If you want to stick around and get poked in the cute little nose, feel free. |
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joepie91_ |
rolfb: realistically, depending on your upstreams, a datacenter is going to charge you anywhere from $0.30 - $5 per TB of traffic |
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SketchCow |
But if you do.... |
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SketchCow |
advice, do not try and educate Archive Team on "the way the world works" |
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joepie91_ |
not including bandwidth/uplink |
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rolfb |
SketchCow: thanks, I won't. I'm not proud of this |
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joepie91_ |
usually around $0.50-$5 per mbps on the cheaper end, on 95th percentile billing |
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joepie91_ |
in other words: you can run a static copy off pocket money |
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xmc |
i'm more than happy to run a static copy off pocket money |
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xmc: we average 60 mbps on the 95h percentile, guessing it will be higher as people are migrating |
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rolfb |
95th, even |
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joepie91_ |
that'll almost certainly drop off after the first month or two |
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rolfb |
probably |
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joepie91_ |
so that's 18.5TB/mo assuming 60mbps |
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roughly |
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joepie91_ |
if my calc is correct |
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joepie91_ |
that's not a lot |
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joepie91_ |
you could even run that off a random high-bandwidth VPS, really |
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joepie91_ |
at an arbitrary VPS provider |
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joepie91_ |
rolfb: how much data is it? in GB |
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xmc |
iirc 700ish? |
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rolfb |
it's 4.5 TB |
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xmc |
ok |
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xmc |
and i assume you've gc'd your repos |
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rolfb |
yes, we run gc regularly |
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joepie91_ |
rolfb: xmc: moment |
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joepie91_ |
rolfb: xmc: http://www.soyoustart.com/en/disk/ |
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joepie91_ |
250mbps unmetered if I am not mistaken |
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joepie91_ |
yes, budget box, but more than enough for a static copy |
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xmc |
hrm |
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joepie91_ |
or https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/px70 |
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joepie91_ |
30TB traffic/mo |
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joepie91_ |
2x4TB disk |
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joepie91_ |
not sure if they have bigger plamns |
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joepie91_ |
plans * |
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xmc nods |
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joepie91_ |
https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-sx |
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joepie91_ |
cheapest one comes with 30TB traffic also |
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joepie91_ |
4x4TB SATA, 30TB traffic, 69 euro/mo |
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joepie91_ |
specifically https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/sx60 |
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xmc |
ok |
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xmc |
anyway, yeah |
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joepie91_ |
and they charge 1.39euro/TB overage |
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xmc |
not too bad at all |
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joepie91_ |
indeed |
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xmc |
anyway, rolfb, if you're willing to hand over control of the domain and stuff to me, i'd be more than happy to run it indefinitely |
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joepie91_ |
more possible plans at https://robot.your-server.de/order/market/sortcol/hd/sorttype/up/page/1#386343 |
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xmc |
and now i'm going to go back to work so i can attempt to earn the money to do more ridiculous computer things |
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rolfb |
xmc: i've gotten an OK to hand over domain and data, but with one caveat |
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xmc |
oh? |
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joepie91_ |
xmc: lol, that's how life works isn't it |
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joepie91_ |
:p |
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ersi |
[curiosity intensifies] |
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joepie91_ |
heh |
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xmc |
^ |
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rolfb |
i'm really sorry |
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ersi |
secret sauce deployed |
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ersi |
:) |
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rolfb |
the request is that it's read-only and that there's a notice about switching/migrating to gitlab |
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xmc |
sure thing |
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xmc |
i'm contemplating an apache instance with a bunch of bare repos in it that support being cloned from |
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joepie91_ |
xmc: you sure apache is the best option for that? |
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xmc |
and a banner at the top of the directory index |
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xmc |
i have no idea |
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xmc |
maybe nginx |