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07:40 🔗 appledash So uhh
07:40 🔗 appledash How exactly does one go about extracting a .warc?
07:43 🔗 yipdw there's a bunch of tools to read them; if you want to extract response data, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Warcat works
07:44 🔗 appledash Hmm, I've just tried that actually
07:44 🔗 appledash It doesn't extract anything
07:44 🔗 appledash this warc file is 4kb
07:44 🔗 appledash It was generated by wpull, and I am certain it is not meant to be 4kb
07:47 🔗 yipdw what's the WARC
07:47 🔗 appledash What do you mean what's the WARC?
07:47 🔗 yipdw I need a URL to the WARC you are talking about
07:47 🔗 yipdw wpull generates many WARCs for a given grab
07:47 🔗 yipdw there's the content WARCs, and there can be one to many of those
07:47 🔗 yipdw depending on your split settings
07:47 🔗 yipdw then there's the meta-WARC which contains information about the grab
07:47 🔗 appledash There is only one warc here
07:47 🔗 appledash And I just used the example
07:48 🔗 appledash Is there a way to make wpull output in a sane format
07:48 🔗 yipdw yes, WARC
07:48 🔗 appledash ie: a directory tree
07:48 🔗 yipdw directory trees don't map well to request/response
07:48 🔗 yipdw I need the WARC to diagnose this problem, anything else is guessing
07:48 🔗 appledash You can have the warc
07:48 🔗 appledash one moment
07:49 🔗 yipdw one thing that is really pedantic but something I really want to convince people of is that WARC isn't recording files
07:49 🔗 yipdw it's recording HTTP requests and responses
07:49 🔗 yipdw I think I'm going to lose that but meh
07:49 🔗 appledash It'd be nice if there was a way to record files
07:50 🔗 yipdw actually, hell, it's recording requests and responses for various protocols but yeah
07:50 🔗 appledash https://appledash.org/warc.warc.gz Enjoy your WARC
07:51 🔗 yipdw yeah, that WARC's empty, so nothing was fetched
07:51 🔗 yipdw the only record in it is the wpull log
07:51 🔗 appledash I think that much was fetched
07:51 🔗 appledash Considering wpull talked about how it was fetching files for about 10 minutes
07:51 🔗 yipdw https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fb3ed4b5efc7058632fb
07:51 🔗 yipdw it's empty
07:52 🔗 appledash Well... Why is it empty then?
07:52 🔗 appledash ...
07:52 🔗 appledash I just segfaulted wpull
07:52 🔗 appledash What
07:52 🔗 appledash Isn't it Python?
07:53 🔗 yipdw what's your command line
07:53 🔗 appledash I ran it again and it started going again, do you still want my command line
07:54 🔗 appledash ?
07:54 🔗 yipdw yes
07:54 🔗 yipdw segfaults can occur in any running process regardless of language
07:54 🔗 yipdw one of archivebot's larger nodes gets python3 segfaults a lot
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07:55 🔗 yipdw the Wpull-Arguments line provides the same information as the command line, but I find the command line is usually easier to read
07:55 🔗 appledash Well yeah, but I'm fairly sure that a segfault triggered by a Py script (at least one that's not doing anything fishy with Python's internals) is a Python bug
07:56 🔗 appledash https://gist.github.com/AppleDash/65c55986e224c4560bb3
07:56 🔗 yipdw segfaults could be anything
07:57 🔗 appledash I just ran it again after removing all files - the new warc is 7M which seems a bit more reasonable
07:57 🔗 yipdw ok, yeah
07:57 🔗 yipdw so that command will log data to irc.org.warc.gz
07:58 🔗 appledash Define "log data"
07:58 🔗 yipdw log WARC records
07:59 🔗 yipdw you can peek at the WARC in progress with zcat/zless
07:59 🔗 SketchCow http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4604
08:00 🔗 appledash The new file seems to contain the expected datas
08:00 🔗 appledash data*
08:00 🔗 appledash I wonder why the old one did not
08:01 🔗 yipdw wpull by default overwrites WARCs specified with --warc-file unless you specify --warc-append
08:01 🔗 yipdw so if you started another job writing to the new file and quickly terminated it that would result in a zero length file
08:03 🔗 yipdw appledash: is the command line you sent me the same one as the command line that yielded the WARC with the zero-fetch log?
08:04 🔗 appledash Yes
08:04 🔗 appledash yipdw, I see the problem them
08:04 🔗 appledash I thought it would resume
08:04 🔗 yipdw --warc-append will do that
08:04 🔗 appledash I stopped it to double the concurrency level
08:07 🔗 yipdw it may be useful to have wpull warn on overwrite
08:07 🔗 yipdw you'll probably want to talk to chfoo about that
08:07 🔗 yipdw well, warn or refuse to start
08:08 🔗 appledash that would be useful
08:26 🔗 godane SketchCow: thank your for emulatity
08:26 🔗 godane *emularity
08:27 🔗 godane it fixes the problem with running java script emulator on a mesh network
08:27 🔗 godane cause if can run locally there is a way to the html/javascript on local wifi
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22:49 🔗 dashcloud this might be interesting if it's anything like what's being described: http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/04/10/darpa-memex-search-going-open-source-check-it-out/ (open source release planned on Friday)
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