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john1 |
Out of curiosity, would it ever have been considered to archive libgen if we knew it was about to be taken down? |
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dashcloud |
if you know (or reasonably belive) that a site is going down, at least mention it here so someone can try to figure out if something can be done |
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anomie |
Yes, but the reason is they're being sued for copyright infringement, and it's not entirely baseless. |
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anomie |
Libgen is an ebook piracy site from Russia. |
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vitzli |
how can I change mediatype:texts to mediatype:web in archive.org item? |
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vitzli |
anomie, are they being sued? |
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anomie |
vitzli: Yep. https://torrentfreak.com/libgen-goes-down-as-legal-pressure-mounts-150622/ |
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vitzli |
oh shit |
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anomie |
They have always encouraged people to download their archive off their FTP though, so even if they get legally reaped, I doubt the plaintiff will be very successful in their endeavors. |
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anomie |
Of course, that is terabytes of data. |
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vitzli |
they have torrent collections |
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vitzli |
about 40-60 TB, to my knowledge |
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anomie |
But I'm sure if we got involved, we'd be next on the list. |
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vitzli |
is it possible to upload 10GB file into an item with web browser? |
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anomie |
Sure, if your connection isn't interrupted. |
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anomie |
(theoretically) |
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SketchCow |
WHO ARE THESE NEW PEOPLE |
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anomie |
Who, me? |
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JesseW |
/me is just zis guy, you know. |
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vitzli |
/me is dumb and trying to upload item into wikiteam collection |
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anomie |
For obvious reasons, ArchiveTeam should not make any public efforts to preserve the libgen library. |
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anomie |
However, if anyone individually wants to preserve it, here's a list of magnet links. http://fennetic.net/pub/libgen_magnets_0-789.txt |
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anomie |
(please don't ban me) |
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SketchCow |
Sir (I'm assuming sir), your biggest issue is no backbone. |
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SketchCow |
I'm not a fan of cops, but my least favorite cop is the one you put in your own head. |
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SketchCow |
The world is full of forces that will stop, slow down, or decimate culture and artifacts. |
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SketchCow |
Don't be one |
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anomie |
Yes, I know. But I'm not worried about that. |
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anomie |
I just don't want ArchiveTeam to endorse this, because I'm afraid that will make it harder for ArchiveTeam to accomplish it's goals in the long run. |
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vitzli |
that magnet list is a bit old, I saw a new one somewhere |
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anomie |
I mean, archiving someone's site without permision is already legally questionable, AFAIK. |
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anomie |
vitzli: Please do share. |
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vitzli |
http://pastebin.com/z7Gsy6xx copy of http://lib**n.biz/repository_torrent/magnet-links.txt |
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vitzli |
uh, I'm sorry, my cat accidentally step on a keyboard, he does this sometimes. sorry once again |
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anomie was kicked by SketchCow (anomie) |
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SketchCow |
It's.... |
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SketchCow |
<sniff> |
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SketchCow |
It's what he would have wanted |
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SketchCow |
Hey, speaking of which, that crazy kid hasn't shown up in forever. He must have turned 18 or something. |
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vitzli |
SketchCow, have you seen IPFS demo? |
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SketchCow |
Is this IPFS the distributeed cryptographic filesystem? |
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vitzli |
yes, crypto for objects is optional though |
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SketchCow |
arkiver: Did Halo stop? |
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SketchCow |
Yeah, looks like Halo finished. Oh happy day if so. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
SketchCow: it looks like there is one more item set left on the github repo |
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Nertsy |
Hey can I barge in here and get some feedback on something a friend and I have been working on?\ |
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Nertsy |
We have spent the last few months creating an automatic tumblr archiver. Just feed it the blogs you want archived and it will save the post to a postgres database and the media associated with the post to the FS |
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Nertsy |
Here is how it looks now (Warning NSFW) t.archive.horse |
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SketchCow |
You think anybody in here has work |
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SketchCow |
or a job |
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pikhq |
I'm out of work these days, personally. |
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trs80 |
I'm at work right now |
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SketchCow |
This is my work |
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Nertsy |
... Yeah I thought most here would... |
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Nertsy |
so... any thoughts anyone? |
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vitzli |
I'm not a member of archiveteam, may I give my output? |
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Nertsy |
of course |
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vitzli |
I think ISO date-time format (YYYYMMDD HH:MM:SS) would be better than 12 AM/PM |
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kniffy |
no search function yet? |
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Nertsy |
kniffy, working on a sphinxsearch based thing. That's next on the roadmap |
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Nertsy |
Need to read those docs... |
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kniffy |
ah |
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kniffy |
otherwise pretty cool work |
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Nertsy |
(if anyone knows how to do sphinxsearch and is willing to help that would be awesome) |
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Nertsy |
and thanks for your feedback vitzli and kniffy |
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kniffy |
no problem, best of luck on that |
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DFJustin |
Nertsy: WARC would be better than putting it in a bespoke database |
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Nertsy |
? |
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DFJustin |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_ARChive |
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DFJustin |
http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=The_WARC_Ecosystem |
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Nertsy |
Ah. We decided on a database method of storage because we were already familiar with SQL and could easily implement media & post archival without encountering a duplicate and because of the wide support for postgres. The capability to rapidly search is also a huge strength of using a database. |
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yipdw |
accessibility is one of the major reasons WARC is usually preferred around here |
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Nertsy |
also doing incremental (offsite) backups using a single, massive file does not seem ideal for us |
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yipdw |
delta WARCs are possible |
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yipdw |
actually I don't need to talk in terms of hypotheticals |
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Nertsy |
WARC seems extremely useful for the onetime archival of something |
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Nertsy |
but I am perfectly fine with just taring my data upon request |
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ersi |
It's also the only option of getting the archived data (possibly from the step where you're sending requests to tumblr) into Internet Archive's Wayback Machine |
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yipdw |
http://archivebot-prod3.at.ninjawedding.org/main/20141230051538/http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com |
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yipdw |
that's not a one-time archive |
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yipdw |
(TW: suicide notes) |
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yipdw |
anyway, that's an aggregation of WARCs, which is unfortunately crapping out on me right now because the VPS running it is doing odd stuff |
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DFJustin |
we've been archiving tumblrs to warc for a couple years now with the archivebot |
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yipdw |
simulating replay becomes difficult unless you have both the HTTP request and response, and once you have that you might as well just do WARC format |
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Nertsy |
the thing is this though |
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Nertsy |
how much storage are you wasting on duplicate data |
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yipdw |
haven't counted, and so far it hasn't been an issue |
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yipdw |
you don't have to fetch the site in its entirety |
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yipdw |
if you track the URLs in each WARC (doable via a WARC index) you can use those as a basis for a delta |
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Nertsy |
but are you? is it by design to store things multiple times? |
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yipdw |
http://archivebot-prod3.at.ninjawedding.org/main/*/http://lazerprincess.tumblr.com/ |
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yipdw |
yes |
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yipdw |
as far as searching goes -- true, WARCs alone don't offer that, but you can index the text and graphics in them by running through each record |
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yipdw |
Solr, Sphinx, full-text search mechanisms in MySQL/Postgres, similarity search for images, etc |
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Nertsy |
see but what is the value is wasting storage, losing support (WARC is not as popular as any SQL database), and sacrificing searching thorough posts? |
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04:29
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yipdw |
I just linked the value |
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yipdw |
accessible archives :P |
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yipdw |
duplicate storage is controllable and it's not that bad |
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yipdw |
WARC is pretty popular in tools for web archiving, so I guess it depends on your context |
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yipdw |
and if you want to search posts, dump the WARC responses in an SQL database and add a full-text search index |
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SketchCow |
Guess which banned person is now messaging me to demand to know why he's being banned |
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DFJustin |
warc is used by all the big players in web archiving and is a lot more future proof than a random database implementation that will change every version number |
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yipdw |
we're talking a few GB of overhead |
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yipdw |
that's negligible |
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SketchCow |
I do feel like this useful discussion should be in -bs |
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04:31
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DFJustin |
the duplicate space thing is an issue especially if you're recrawling the same site a lot, so far we've been taking advantage of archive.org having fuckloads of space |
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04:31
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Nertsy |
But I can't afford that amount of storage |
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ersi |
yipdw: (What's TW?) |
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Nertsy |
This is the whole reason why we built out something instead of running HTTrack on a cron |
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DFJustin |
but there's no reason you can't program a smarter crawler that doesn't re-grab what you already have in a warc |
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DFJustin |
that's orthogonal to the storage format |
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Nertsy |
ersi, Trigger Warning |
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pikhq |
Yeah, WARC's pretty nice in that if you *literally* just have gzip and a WARC file you can make sense of it. |
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ersi |
Come over to #archiveteam-bs and continue the discussion there ^ |
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pikhq |
(the file format is well supported, which is nice, but it's also *incredibly* future proof to the point that if just about anything from today is readable in the future, it will be.) |
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ersi |
Come over to #archiveteam-bs and continue the discussion there ^ |
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Nertsy |
What is this channel for compared to -bs ? |
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04:53
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SketchCow |
This is a channel of action. |
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04:54
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SketchCow |
This is a channel for when the archive team is needed, for when something has arisen, or an issue needs to be handled. |
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04:54
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Nertsy |
Oh... My bad. |
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04:54
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SketchCow |
Like a firehouse, when there's no fire, people play cards and bullshit a lot. |
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04:54
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SketchCow |
So then we made -bs so all the nerds can go discuss what ifs and what fors. |
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ersi |
aka Batlight |
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JesseW |
Trovebox is down to 237 remaining, according to the tracker! |
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SketchCow |
700 Walnut Creek CD-ROM sets are now sitting next to me here at my desk. |
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pikhq |
It is hard to understate how awesome that is. |
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SketchCow |
https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/613548597951381504 |
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pikhq |
I'm one of those favorites and retweets. :) |
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vitzli |
Can I add a file to the existing archive.org item via torrent method? |
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vitzli |
progress report: I've made a torrent, uploaded, and Transmission client got connected to me |
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Nemo_bis |
Good |
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bisko |
Hey guys, I have been running the Warrior image for a few days now and all I get is: Tracker rate limiting is active. We don't want to overload the site we're archiving, so we've limited the number of downloads per minute. |
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bisko |
is this normal? |
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arkiver |
SketchCow: I'll have look if Halo has any more items to be added |
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bisko |
Of course... Just as I wrote the lines above it started downloading things, sorry about that :) |
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Atluxity |
:) |
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Atluxity |
bisko: I know its demoralising, but its a luxury problem :) |
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Atluxity |
we got more firepower than the sites can handle |
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Atluxity |
if we fire all at once then we get nothing in return |
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bisko |
Yeah, I get that, done it myself in a previous job of mine (online shops crawling). Better be safe than blocked :) |
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bisko |
If i choose to "work" on the "ArchiveTeam’s Choice", will the warrior client work optimally or it will be the same as if I chose 1 project? By optimally I mean to "try" to work on several different projects at the same time where there is an opening. |
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yes you can choose multiple projects to work on |
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ArchiveTeam's Choice is afaik manually decided by one of yours truly |
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ah no i given you duff information by the looks of it |
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bisko: being blocked is not the issue, it's about the difference between going fast and archiving and doing a DDOS on a website |
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you can manually choose a different project though to one that has more items available |
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Site owners always know we are archiving when we are and sometimes they block us |
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When we don't have enough time we run at just under what a site can handle before it crashes |
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We've had cases where IP's were banned (Twitpic), and we've had cases where owners contacted and helped us by providing lists |
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Sometimes the shutdown date is *magically* delayed to just after we're done archiving |
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dan- |
Or brought forwards once they realise they're getting archived |
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arkiver |
Or that ^ |
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bisko |
Sheesh, so websites are willingly staying away from being archived :( bad people |
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bisko |
How can I set the warrior to work on more than 1 project concurrently |
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bisko |
or should I start 2-3-4 instances? |
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So one warrior can only work on one project |
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you'll have to set up multiple warriors if you want to run multiple project at the same time |
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Cool, I will do that when I get home :) That idle internet pipe at home should be filled with something useful during the day! |
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arkiver: is that all of halo and trovebox? (queues are empty) |
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It is all of trovebox |
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It's not all of halo |
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i've just received an email about compilr.com being shut down on july 31, doesn't seem like anything much so maybe we could just feed it into archivebot? |
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justin.tv is pending transfer and is now for sale |
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camelrack |
so someone want to grab the goodbye page and video |
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camelrack |
scratch the for sale part, dang ads from who.is |
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bzc6p |
I've asked people twice to give feedbacks about the proposed new projects pages layout on the wiki. |
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bzc6p |
http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam?date=2015-06-11,Thu&sel=164#l160 |
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bzc6p |
http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam-bs?date=2015-06-17,Wed&sel=126#l122 |
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bzc6p |
I've received generally positive feedback, and also a few suggestions, most of which I applied more or less. See especially the second link. (For those few that I didn't agree with, I gave explanation why, but didn't get counter-replies.) There were no objections against the basic idea. |
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The applied changes are documented appended to the original proposal: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Bzc6p/Restructuring_projects_pages |
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bzc6p |
I think it's time to apply the changes, upon the general consent. Also, tweaks can be made later too, and the whole thing can easily be reverted if necessary. |
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bzc6p |
But before touching it, I'd like to ask for your approval, as you are the Editor in Chief. |
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Is there a final preview |
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Nemo_bis: there is a link to the preview in the proposal. |
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Nemo_bis: replied |
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Nemo_bis |
If a template contains multiple headings, it may be necessary to add "__NOEDITSECTION__" after each heading. |
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https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words (:[ ; didn't verify) |
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Nemo_bis: I could nowhere on the wiki make __NOEDITSECTION__ work. You could? |
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bzc6p: ok. do it. |
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bzc6p: I didn't test yet, I'm a fan of section edit links :) but this was just a tangent |
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Nemo_bis: I just saw your edits. |
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I also have the feeling that you wan't to tell me something but I don't understand. I'm intermediate in wiki editing, but I know you're a wiki master (know you from the Pedia). |
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That's not a problem, you did all the work. I will pass at some point with minor fixes if needed |
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Nemo_bis: please do! And thanks! |
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Start |
I created an updated version of the wiki's main page here: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Start/Main_Page |
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Start |
I removed the ArchiveTeam News section and replaced Recently Ended Projects with In The Media |
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Start |
And added the #archiveteam IRC channel to the bottom of the page. |
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Start |
The old main page could be moved to Main Page/Archive |
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bzc6p |
Start: Nice! Also, if my restructuring is approved, the "Archives" link under "What is What" should be removed I guess. |
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bzc6p |
as that would become "Early projects" which would be embedded into Projects. |
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Start |
I also made some huge additions to Template:Navigation box as well as added navboxes and infoboxes to any pages missing them |
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Start |
There's a few pages left which will be added soon |
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Anyone know anything more about ARCMAJ3? I came across references to it, but it wasn't clear what it was, or what the current status? |
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Start: good work |
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winr4r |
Start: are you an admin on the AT wiki |
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Start |
no |
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Start: run it by SketchCow |
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but you've gone a good job imo |
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thanks |
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WubTheCap |
Love is Over shut down its doors quite quickly. https://img.loveisover.me/ |
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All files seem to be 404 on a.loveisover.me |
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WubTheCap |
When Pomf closed its doors, we received an influx of traffic that my server bandwidth was unable to sustain. So unfortunately, effective immediately, I am closing the doors of LiO Image Hosting. I could upgrade the server, throttle the image hosting, or auto-prune images, but I feel that wouldn't make me or you guys happy, so its probably best just to close my doors so you guys can go find something better for |
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now. Thanks for all your support these last couple of years and I hope we will see each other again. |
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https://twitter.com/theBladeee/status/613885292953608192 |
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Do people think this would be nice to have? https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit/issues/89 |