#archiveteam 2015-07-26,Sun

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03:15 πŸ”— kyan archivebot is in #archivebot :)
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07:28 πŸ”— arkiver So I'd like to start a fundraiser for the bigger projects we do
07:29 πŸ”— arkiver I think it is possible to get a few thousand or tenthousands of dollar for project like blip.tv for storage on IA
07:30 πŸ”— arkiver Assuming $2000/TB we'd need around $180000 to $200000 for the blip.tv project
07:31 πŸ”— arkiver I think the $2000/TB estimate is now a few years old, so that might have dropped by a few hundred dollars, anyone has an idea how much it would be today?
07:45 πŸ”— arkiver SketchCow: what do you think of having a fundraiser for our more bigger project? I think we can get enough donation when it comes to popular sites like blip.tv
07:54 πŸ”— arkiver I think we can get some tech newssites to post a newsitem about our fundraiser and our project
08:09 πŸ”— xmc SketchCow: could you please change the dns for tracker.archiveteam.org to point towards zloty.xrtc.net sunday around 18-20:00 eastern time
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09:17 πŸ”— arkiver SketchCow: I wrote a bit of text for a fundraiser on GoFundMe for blip.tv. I'll PM you when you are online.
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11:04 πŸ”— Spirit anyone got a "find" line ready for archival-loving file tree list preservation (filesize, time (timezone?) and all that)?
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12:09 πŸ”— Smiley we've had discussions about fundraising before iirc
12:09 πŸ”— Smiley Tho that was more about funding archiveteam.... which wouldn't make sense, unless it was hiring storage/servers for us.
12:10 πŸ”— Smiley However fundraising for IA would be seperate from ArchiveTeam, tho it'd be a product of our needs...
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12:41 πŸ”— arkiver We raise, say $200000 for blip.tv, and send it all to IA, I'm not seeing the problem there
12:45 πŸ”— arkiver I think $200000 is realistic, blip.tv has 500 million monthly views and 40 million unique users each month
12:45 πŸ”— arkiver If we can raise $350000 we'll also do all version of the videos and really save the website 100%
12:46 πŸ”— arkiver versions*
12:49 πŸ”— Nemo_bis You'd need to choose one of those crowdfunding platforms where no money moves until the project is confirmed
12:49 πŸ”— arkiver Why?
12:50 πŸ”— arkiver GoFundMe is a platform on which we don't have to reach the limit, so anything can go to the project
12:50 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Doesn't sound honest
12:50 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Especially as the *Me* part is wrong, you are not IA
12:53 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Could also try https://snowdrift.coop/
12:53 πŸ”— arkiver I'll have a look at it
12:55 πŸ”— arkiver I'm not sure about that websites, it isn't well known, people might not fully trust it and it looks like the website itself isn't totally finished yet
12:55 πŸ”— arkiver The funding platform should be well known, that way we can get more funding for the projects
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13:10 πŸ”— Nemo_bis I hope people are not throwing money at stuff just because they happen to advertise themselves on a famous domain
13:10 πŸ”— arkiver I hope that too, but that is I think how it goes
13:11 πŸ”— Nemo_bis I doubt it, most funding drives fail
13:11 πŸ”— arkiver With funding drives you mean the projects of people who want funding?
13:12 πŸ”— Nemo_bis No, I mean the crowdfunding itself for them
13:12 πŸ”— arkiver ok
13:12 πŸ”— arkiver So what do you think would be the advantage from snowdrift.coop over gofundme?
13:13 πŸ”— arkiver I have watched the video, but I didn't get the whole I idea I'm afraid
13:13 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Using a large crowdfunding platform is mostly useful if you think you have a very large (or dispersed) audience and no alternative way to reach it. Then the internal social network of the platform, internal ads, newsletters etc. make a big difference
13:13 πŸ”— arkiver And why would snowdrift.coop be more useful?
13:14 πŸ”— Nemo_bis I'm not advocating for it, just added one option :)
13:14 πŸ”— arkiver Yeah, I know, I'd just like to know what you think
13:14 πŸ”— arkiver Considering all of them
13:14 πŸ”— arkiver We might try both
13:14 πŸ”— arkiver See how it goes
13:14 πŸ”— arkiver But gotta talk to SketchCow about this first
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13:23 πŸ”— Spirit 200k is crazy much money
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16:45 πŸ”— xmc yeah
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17:25 πŸ”— Smiley Do we have any way of capturing live twitch streams?
17:25 πŸ”— Smiley It'll be on youtube at _some_ point, but that looses the comments, if want them too
17:34 πŸ”— Smiley Summer Games Done Quick is the event
17:34 πŸ”— Smiley it's on Twitch.tv
17:35 πŸ”— arkiver What is the link?
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17:40 πŸ”— kniffy http://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick
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17:41 πŸ”— arkiver SketchCow: we have started the grab of userprofiles of last.fm!
17:44 πŸ”— arkiver I'm not sure we can preserve the comments of the livestreams
17:44 πŸ”— arkiver it should be possible, but not with wpull or wget or such tools likely
17:48 πŸ”— kniffy the chat is based on irc protocol supposedly
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17:57 πŸ”— Spirit you can join one chat at a time
17:57 πŸ”— Spirit check out Chatty
17:58 πŸ”— Spirit stream itself is easy with livestreamer
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18:28 πŸ”— thefinn93 what mediawiki plugin runs your captcha?
18:29 πŸ”— xmc captcha?
18:29 πŸ”— thefinn93 well
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18:29 πŸ”— thefinn93 the thing that directs people here to ask "WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD"
18:29 πŸ”— thefinn93 and accepts a response
18:29 πŸ”— xmc i think it's just a password box thingy
18:29 πŸ”— thefinn93 huh
18:29 πŸ”— thefinn93 mk
18:30 πŸ”— * xmc shrug
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20:04 πŸ”— aaaaaaaaa arkiver: don't forget that those crowdfunders take a percentage and by going through an intermediary may affect tax deductibility, if not done properly.
20:07 πŸ”— Rotab Smiley: capturing video and chat?
20:08 πŸ”— Rotab oh nvm
20:10 πŸ”— Smiley Rotab: ... :/
20:23 πŸ”— arkiver aaaaaaaaa: yes, I'm aware of that, the amount of money actually going to IA would be bigger if it would be donated directly to IA
20:25 πŸ”— arkiver But I also think because IA isn't saying anything on the donationpage about the project (and of course won't say anything about it) and therefor doesn't have some kind of goal of what we want to reach, people are less attracted to donate
20:25 πŸ”— arkiver I also think people will faster donate on a well known funding site then on IA's site, but that's just totally what I think
20:26 πŸ”— arkiver I'd say just give the crowdfunding on GoFundMe a try and see how it goes
20:26 πŸ”— xmc gofundme is a begging platform
20:26 πŸ”— arkiver so?
20:26 πŸ”— arkiver don't use it?
20:26 πŸ”— xmc i suggest indiegogo if you want something more crowdfundy
20:26 πŸ”— * xmc shrug
20:26 πŸ”— arkiver I'll have a look at it
20:27 πŸ”— xmc HOWEVER don't let me get in the way of money to archive.org
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20:52 πŸ”— arkiver xmc: indiegogo looks good to me, indeed less of a 'begging platform', maybe it'd be the best place for our fundraiser
20:53 πŸ”— arkiver I think raising $200.000 is not unreasonable, blip.tv had 40 million unique monthly users.
20:53 πŸ”— arkiver All we need to do is advertise the fundraiser well, and we should get to our goal
20:54 πŸ”— xmc cool
20:54 πŸ”— xmc well, blip.tv had 40 million freeloaders
21:05 πŸ”— arkiver https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/202530253-How-To-Raise-Funds-For-A-Beneficiary
21:06 πŸ”— arkiver "Non-profit Campaigns: If you are raising funds on behalf of a 501c3 non-profit organization, we highly recommend that you contact the 501c3 and let them know you are creating an Indiegogo campaign on their behalf.
21:06 πŸ”— arkiver Set the payment options so the funds go directly to the beneficiary by entering the beneficiaryοΏ½s bank account on your campaignοΏ½s Funding tab. "
21:19 πŸ”— arkiver SketchCow: I hope you also would like to do a crowdfunding project.
21:20 πŸ”— arkiver If we're going to do this I'll do my best creating some good text, images and maybe a video for this project (although a video probably won't happen).
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