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JesseW, the NSA copy (of twitter) probably does not count because it is classified. ;) (yes it took me that long to come up with that one) |
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phillipsj: I wasn't thinking of that one -- I was thinking of the Library of Congress copy; which I think *does* count. |
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BTW, have you seen http://archive.org/metadata/nsa (warning, large)? |
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I don't think so. |
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it's an amusing perversion of the usual arrangement of Internet Archive metadata (for those who enjoy such things) |
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I asked file what is was: nsa: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with very long lines |
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Oh I get it: it is not reams of private information; only "meta-data" |
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I've noticed that youtube-dl fails to work on videos that have, for lack of a better term, copyrighted music. vevo videos, for example. "ERROR: unable to download video data: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden" is the error message that I get |
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phillipsj: yes, that's amusing, but what makes it weird for IA is that most metadata is a few kilobytes -- but that one is 15 MEGABYTES. |
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because it contains descriptions of thousands of news clips about the nsa spying scandal |
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which would normally go in actual data files, but for some reason, they decided to put them in the metadata in this case |
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Microguru, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf_wVfwpfp8 seemed to start dowrnloading the video data fine using youtube-dl version 2016.01.23. Did you update? |
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JesseW, it is a meta-joke :) |
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version 2015.12.31 |
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I'd update, then |
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# youtube-dl -U |
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is it normal for that to break periodically? is it some kind of cat and mouse game? |
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I think so. It breaks a lot for me, I just update when it does |
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phillipsj: yes, yes it is. :-) |
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it works with a version released this year. it's worth noting somewhere that if we ever have to do a partial/full archive of youtube to make sure that the youtube-dl version is always up to date. if someone makes a warrior project, for example, that uses whatever version is in debian stable's repos it would break on a lot on things |
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full archive of youtube: That would be... substantial. I think it's like an order of magnitude larger than IA |
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hm, I wonder how large a massively downsampled full archive of youtube would be. i.e. 8bit sound, 320x200 pixel video or something like that. |
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true, but if it comes down to it we could save a lot of stuff, espically if we get project Valhalla going #huntinggrounds |
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I mage a couple of archive-quality channal downloads earler this year, so those will live on. |
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if we could convince the wider public to archive their favorite channels and hold on to them locally that would help out a lot. if someone makes an easy tool for your average joe to use that would help (front end GUI for youtube-dl with one click archiving and a "upload to IA" button for when it's time?) |
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It would be nice if everyone did that, but literally we'd end up with like 100 copies of Katy Perry's channel and nothing else |
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(nothing against Katy Perry, but you probably get my point)\ |
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long tail -- we'd end up with millions of copies of Katy Perry's channel yes, but also single copies of millions of deeply obscure close-to-family-home-video channels |
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perhaps, but I assume that if you take any 100 random youtube users, their intrests likely don't overlap much, thus we would get a random sampling of what people like |
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Microguru: the trick with trying to widely promote a download-from-youtube tool is if/when it became well known, it would therefore be worth the effort for youtube to shut it down |
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it seems like all those youtube-to-mp3 sites last a long time |
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if you want to get an idea of how much of a mess downloading youtube is, https://www.jwz.org/hacks/youtubedown |
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check out the line starting my %ciphers = ( |
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yipdw |
basically Youtube employs assholes |
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That line — wtf |
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i'm not sure what would make youtube had downloaders so much, unless a competetor was harvesting all their content for their site |
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this is also a problem that ArchiveBot runs into |
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in that we really need to update youtube-dl much more often than we update pipelines and we don't have a good pipeline story |
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with the warrior you get faster updates, ish |
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anyway I'm getting into #-bs material so I'm gonna stop |
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there are likely a lot of channels with 1,000<x<1,000,000 suscribers that would get archived even if only a smallish number of people get on board |
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I broungt it up here first since it seemed like a medium priotity issue |
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either way, I just joned #archiveteam-bs if that's where this needs to go |
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Youtube exists in a weird fantasy world where streaming is not the same as downloading. |
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they have done a pretty good job of thrusting that fantasy on the rest of us |
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I think realplayer started it (they got in trouble for a "record" button back in the day) |
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the RIAA tried to make burning CDs of legally purchased songs illegal |
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Yeah, remember when Apple's DRM included a limitation that you could only burn a purchased song 10 times? |
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(And that burning a song to CD was their only official option for backing it up in case you lost your DRM key?) |
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Also, does anyone know the people that run minus.com? It's an apparently defunct social network/image sharing site and their image servers all appear to be down |
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Though the rest of the site still seems functional |
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the minus.com frontbage loads for me |
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Including all the user images? |
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but yeah the images don't seem to be loading |
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Hmm... looks like their service has been slowly dying according to posts from users on the official (but abandond) reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MINUS/comments/3unhek/many_links_seems_to_be_broken/ |
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I guess the last working image server finally died |
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Too bad I didn't find about about this until afterwards :( |
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let's check IA and see what we still have |
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dump it in #archivebot! |
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MrRadar |
Going through the logs of some sites I was scraping it looks like it was still at least partly working as of last October but was dead by early this month |
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Which sucks because one of these sites used minus pretty heavily as an image host for a short while :( |
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"Major: Microguru: Sorry, only channel operators or voiced users may use that command." it won't let me do it. anyone have permission? |
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I think I was planning to download an album from there a dew years ago, and never got around to it. not to self: don't put that kind of thing off anymore |
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Just highlight someone with op/voice and ask them to put it in then |
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You can still talk in #archivebot... |
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apparently http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/01/36-best-quotes-of-davos-2016 is not satire so someone please archive weforum.org |
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"Update 12/19/2015 |
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iNFOTHREAD will be closing it's cyber doors in the up comming weeks/months. It's been a long 5 years and a decent run. I've ran out of time and the budget for the site has been gone for far too long. I can't finaically or mentally keep the site online any longer. I do appreciate everyone that has visited over the last 5 years and stuck around thru some rough times. |
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Regards, TEAMiNFO" - http://infothread.org/ |
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^ Can ArchiveBot handle sites that have CloudFlare DDoS protection? |
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icedice: should do as it's just a cdn |
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Ok, nice |
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okay, how should we do this then |
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ArchiveBot has to be set to accept cookies though, if you want to get past the CloudFlare loading screen. But I assume that you already know that. |
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Move on into #archivebot I suggest |
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cloudFlare sometimes requires JavaScript. |
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It is either configurable or only when the site is under "attack" |
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I have no idea how to configure that |
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Could someone else who is more experienced save infothread.org? |
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I meant whomever owns the website probably has a check-box, but I am not sure about that. |
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huh I don't think that IA background is supposed to happen at http://web.archive.org/web/20000229045245/http://www.superdisk.com/sc/index.html — interesting bug |
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Wow, that's a nice early example of a Javascript Monstrosity (TM)! |
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The page injects different <body> tags into the document depending on which browser you are using |
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Which includes hard-coded links to image resources, which the IA apparently can't rewrite |
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I tried archiving http://infothread.org/ with ArchiveBot, but it didn't work |
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probably CloudFlare DDoS protection that's causing this |
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Hi guys - my name is Ines and I'm a reporter with CBS News, working on an investigative story involving a young man who's Twitter account was suspended last year, following his arrest and subsequent conviction for terrorism Material Support. |
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I am trying to find all logs/archived Tweets of his former Twitter account, which had garnered tens of thousands of followers and he ran it over a period of about 3 years. The handle: |
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https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness |
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Please advise what you think id the best way for me to find these Tweets! |
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Thanks so much |
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All best |
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Anyone got any ideas? |
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SketchCow: nothing in ArchiveBot unfortunately |
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wayback has partial coverage: http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140824234911/https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness/status/501608910990876672 |
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only 16 urls though, but it's better than nothing: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness/* |
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