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[04:41] <phillipsj> JesseW, the NSA copy (of twitter) probably does not count because it is classified. ;) (yes it took me that long to come up with that one)
[04:42] <JesseW> phillipsj: I wasn't thinking of that one -- I was thinking of the Library of Congress copy; which I think *does* count.
[04:43] <JesseW> BTW, have you seen http://archive.org/metadata/nsa (warning, large)?
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[04:46] <phillipsj> I don't think so.
[04:48] <JesseW> it's an amusing perversion of the usual arrangement of Internet Archive metadata (for those who enjoy such things)
[04:49] <phillipsj> I asked file what is was: nsa: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with very long lines
[04:51] <phillipsj> Oh I get it: it is not reams of private information; only "meta-data"
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[04:55] <Microguru> I've noticed that youtube-dl fails to work on videos that have, for lack of a better term, copyrighted music. vevo videos, for example. "ERROR: unable to download video data: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden" is the error message that I get
[04:57] <JesseW> phillipsj:  yes, that's amusing, but what makes it weird for IA is that most metadata is a few kilobytes -- but that one is 15 MEGABYTES.
[04:57] <JesseW> because it contains descriptions of thousands of news clips about the nsa spying scandal
[04:58] <JesseW> which would normally go in actual data files, but for some reason, they decided to put them in the metadata in this case
[05:01] <kyan> Microguru, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf_wVfwpfp8 seemed to start dowrnloading the video data fine using youtube-dl version 2016.01.23. Did you update?
[05:02] <phillipsj> JesseW, it is a meta-joke :)
[05:02] <Microguru> version 2015.12.31
[05:03] <kyan> I'd update, then
[05:03] <kyan> # youtube-dl -U
[05:03] <Microguru> is it normal for that to break periodically? is it some kind of cat and mouse game?
[05:04] <kyan> I think so. It breaks a lot for me, I just update when it does
[05:06] <JesseW> phillipsj: yes, yes it is. :-)
[05:07] <Microguru> it works with a version released this year. it's worth noting somewhere that if we ever have to do a partial/full archive of youtube to make sure that the youtube-dl version is always up to date. if someone makes a warrior project, for example, that uses whatever version is in debian stable's repos it would break on a lot on things
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[05:10] <kyan> full archive of youtube: That would be... substantial. I think it's like an order of magnitude larger than IA
[05:16] <JesseW> hm, I wonder how large a massively downsampled full archive of youtube would be. i.e. 8bit sound, 320x200 pixel video or something like that.
[05:16] <Microguru> true, but if it comes down to it we could save a lot of stuff, espically if we get project Valhalla going #huntinggrounds
[05:17] <Microguru> I mage a couple of archive-quality channal downloads earler this year, so those will live on.
[05:20] <Microguru> if we could convince the wider public to archive their favorite channels and hold on to them locally that would help out a lot. if someone makes an easy tool for your average joe to use that would help (front end GUI for youtube-dl with one click archiving and a "upload to IA" button for when it's time?)
[05:23] <kyan> It would be nice if everyone did that, but literally we'd end up with like 100 copies of Katy Perry's channel and nothing else
[05:24] <kyan> (nothing against Katy Perry, but you probably get my point)\
[05:26] <JesseW> long tail -- we'd end up with millions of copies of Katy Perry's channel yes, but also single copies of millions of deeply obscure close-to-family-home-video channels
[05:27] <Microguru> perhaps, but I assume that if you take any 100 random youtube users, their intrests likely don't overlap much, thus we would get a random sampling of what people like
[05:27] <JesseW> Microguru: the trick with trying to widely promote a download-from-youtube tool is if/when it became well known, it would therefore be worth the effort for youtube to shut it down
[05:28] <Microguru> it seems like all those youtube-to-mp3 sites last a long time
[05:29] <yipdw> if you want to get an idea of how much of a mess downloading youtube is, https://www.jwz.org/hacks/youtubedown
[05:29] <yipdw> check out the line starting my %ciphers = (
[05:29] <yipdw> basically Youtube employs assholes
[05:30] <kyan> That line — wtf
[05:30] <Microguru> i'm not sure what would make youtube had downloaders so much, unless a competetor was harvesting all their content for their site
[05:30] <yipdw> this is also a problem that ArchiveBot runs into
[05:30] <yipdw> in that we really need to update youtube-dl much more often than we update pipelines and we don't have a good pipeline story
[05:31] <yipdw> with the warrior you get faster updates, ish
[05:31] <yipdw> anyway I'm getting into #-bs material so I'm gonna stop
[05:31] <Microguru> there are likely a lot of channels with 1,000<x<1,000,000 suscribers that would get archived even if only a smallish number of people get on board
[05:32] <Microguru> I broungt it up here first since it seemed like a medium priotity issue
[05:32] <Microguru> either way, I just joned #archiveteam-bs if that's where this needs to go
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[05:54] <phillipsj> Youtube exists in a weird fantasy world where streaming is not the same as downloading.
[05:55] <yipdw> they have done a pretty good job of thrusting that fantasy on the rest of us
[05:56] <phillipsj> I think realplayer started it (they got in trouble for a "record" button back in the day)
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[06:05] <Microguru> the RIAA tried to make burning CDs of legally purchased songs illegal
[06:07] <MrRadar> Yeah, remember when Apple's DRM included a limitation that you could only burn a purchased song 10 times?
[06:07] <MrRadar> (And that burning a song to CD was their only official option for backing it up in case you lost your DRM key?)
[06:08] <MrRadar> Also, does anyone know the people that run minus.com? It's an apparently defunct social network/image sharing site and their image servers all appear to be down
[06:08] <MrRadar> Though the rest of the site still seems functional
[06:09] <Microguru> the minus.com frontbage loads for me
[06:10] <MrRadar> Including all the user images?
[06:10] <Microguru> but yeah the images don't seem to be loading
[06:11] <MrRadar> Hmm... looks like their service has been slowly dying according to posts from users on the official (but abandond) reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MINUS/comments/3unhek/many_links_seems_to_be_broken/
[06:12] <MrRadar> I guess the last working image server finally died
[06:12] <MrRadar> Too bad I didn't find about about this until afterwards :(
[06:12] <Microguru> let's check IA and see what we still have
[06:13] <JesseW> dump it in #archivebot!
[06:17] <MrRadar> Going through the logs of some sites I was scraping it looks like it was still at least partly working as of last October but was dead by early this month
[06:17] <MrRadar> Which sucks because one of these sites used minus pretty heavily as an image host for a short while :(
[06:21] <Microguru> "Major: Microguru: Sorry, only channel operators or voiced users may use that command." it won't let me do it. anyone have permission?
[06:30] <Microguru> I think I was planning to download an album from there a dew years ago, and never got around to it. not to self: don't put that kind of thing off anymore
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[07:17] <ersi> Just highlight someone with op/voice and ask them to put it in then
[07:18] <ersi> You can still talk in #archivebot...
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[09:05] <schbirid> apparently http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/01/36-best-quotes-of-davos-2016 is not satire so someone please archive weforum.org
[09:13] <PurpleSym> Not grabbed, I guess? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/google-turns-the-lights-out-on-glass-social-media-channels/
[09:14] <yipdw> there are some things I am okay with losing
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[12:36] <WinterFox> test
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[12:43] <icedice> "Update 12/19/2015
[12:43] <icedice> iNFOTHREAD will be closing it's cyber doors in the up comming weeks/months. It's been a long 5 years and a decent run. I've ran out of time and the budget for the site has been gone for far too long. I can't finaically or mentally keep the site online any longer. I do appreciate everyone that has visited over the last 5 years and stuck around thru some rough times.
[12:43] <icedice> Regards, TEAMiNFO" - http://infothread.org/
[12:46] <icedice> ^ Can ArchiveBot handle sites that have CloudFlare DDoS protection?
[12:47] <HCross2> icedice: should do as it's just a cdn
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[12:48] <icedice> Ok, nice
[12:48] <megaminxw> okay, how should we do this then
[12:50] <icedice> ArchiveBot has to be set to accept cookies though, if you want to get past the CloudFlare loading screen. But I assume that you already know that.
[12:56] <ersi> Move on into #archivebot I suggest
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[13:11] <icedice> Ok
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[13:44] <phillipsj> cloudFlare sometimes requires JavaScript.
[13:44] <phillipsj> It is either configurable or only when the site is under "attack"
[13:54] <icedice> I have no idea how to configure that
[13:55] <icedice> Could someone else who is more experienced save infothread.org?
[14:32] <phillipsj> I meant whomever owns the website probably has a check-box, but I am not sure about that.
[14:36] <icedice> ok
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[15:15] <balrog> huh I don't think that IA background is supposed to happen at http://web.archive.org/web/20000229045245/http://www.superdisk.com/sc/index.html — interesting bug
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[15:19] <MrRadar> Wow, that's a nice early example of a Javascript Monstrosity (TM)!
[15:20] <MrRadar> The page injects different <body> tags into the document depending on which browser you are using
[15:20] <MrRadar> Which includes hard-coded links to image resources, which the IA apparently can't rewrite
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[15:45] <icedice> I tried archiving http://infothread.org/ with ArchiveBot, but it didn't work
[15:46] <icedice> probably CloudFlare DDoS protection that's causing this
[15:46] <icedice> ArchiveBot would have to accept cookies in order for it to work
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[17:16] <jaK> hello
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[17:56] <ersi> Hi
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[20:52] <SketchCow> Hi guys - my name is Ines and I'm a reporter with CBS News, working on an investigative story involving a young man who's Twitter account was suspended last year, following his arrest and subsequent conviction for terrorism Material Support.
[20:52] <SketchCow> I am trying to find all logs/archived Tweets of his former Twitter account, which had garnered tens of thousands of followers and he ran it over a period of about 3 years. The handle:
[20:52] <SketchCow> https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness
[20:52] <SketchCow> Please advise what you think id the best way for me to find these Tweets!
[20:52] <SketchCow> Thanks so much
[20:52] <SketchCow> All best
[20:52] <SketchCow> Anyone got any ideas?
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[20:58] <yipdw> SketchCow: nothing in ArchiveBot unfortunately
[20:59] <Start> wayback has partial coverage: http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140824234911/https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness/status/501608910990876672
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[21:00] <Start> only 16 urls though, but it's better than nothing: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness/*
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[21:02] <Start> google images also has several tweets as images: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=amreekiwitness&tbm=isch
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