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00:08 🔗 FalconK blarg. any chance of ops?
00:09 🔗 FalconK er, not necessarily here
00:16 🔗 SketchCow Salutations, maniacs
00:16 🔗 SketchCow Anyone need anything
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00:21 🔗 arkiver Archival projects are going fine
00:22 🔗 arkiver Only thing is FOS is a little slow, but other then that everything's going fine
00:22 🔗 arkiver BTW, we're not using FS anymore for the FTP WARCs
00:27 🔗 ErkDog allo SketchCow
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00:39 🔗 Muad-Dib SketchCow, do you now whether people already grabbed some of the Halo game statistics after #yolohalo fetched the user-created media? The stats are still slowly being purged afaik
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05:57 🔗 SketchCow I don't know
05:57 🔗 SketchCow I think we got a LOTTTTT
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08:52 🔗 SketchCow Hello,
08:52 🔗 SketchCow Freesound.org hosts a large archive of audio samples released under
08:52 🔗 SketchCow Creative Commons licenses, but they only allow logged in users to
08:52 🔗 SketchCow download them.
08:52 🔗 SketchCow Aside from restricting access to those free files, if they ever go down,
08:52 🔗 SketchCow all their samples (248847 under CC BY and CC0 licenses, 12587 under CC
08:52 🔗 SketchCow noncommercial licenses) will be lost forever.
08:52 🔗 SketchCow So what I'm asking is to archive Freesound.org, so that this immensely
08:52 🔗 SketchCow useful resource will be available to everyone forever. To make things
08:52 🔗 SketchCow easier, you could use their API:
08:52 🔗 SketchCow https://freesound.org/help/developers/
08:52 🔗 SketchCow I'm willing to help writing a script to save all the necessary info
08:52 🔗 SketchCow (like copyright, license, description, tags, collections) as well as
08:52 🔗 SketchCow help in any other way, please let me know!
08:52 🔗 SketchCow Anyone want in
08:54 🔗 bai what sort of help are you looking for? I might be interested, I'm always looking for sound effects
08:56 🔗 SketchCow Not me, it's someone asking.
08:57 🔗 SketchCow I asked him to come to #archiveteam
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09:41 🔗 SketchCow bai: Meet overdriv3
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09:41 🔗 overdriv3 hi folks, I came here in regards to Freesound.org
09:45 🔗 arkiver Hi overdriv3
09:45 🔗 overdriv3 hi arkiver!
09:50 🔗 overdriv3 have any of you by any chance discussed my proposal? In short, Freesound.org is a site distributing audio samples under Creative Commons licenses (which allow redistribution)
09:50 🔗 arkiver Sound good
09:50 🔗 arkiver Let's get it saved
09:50 🔗 overdriv3 but they restrict downloads to logged in users, and if they go down, one of the largest collections of free audio files is lost forever
09:51 🔗 overdriv3 they have an API so it might be good to use that to rip their site, but you need to apply for a developer key
09:51 🔗 overdriv3 https://freesound.org/help/developers/
09:52 🔗 overdriv3 their site is free software (GNU AGPL) by the way -> https://github.com/MTG/freesound
09:52 🔗 arkiver Yeah, SketchCow gave it to us
09:52 🔗 HCross Shall we get a channel sorted?
09:53 🔗 arkiver I think we can get an API key, but it'll be blocked very fast
09:53 🔗 overdriv3 I spoke with the lead developer
09:53 🔗 overdriv3 he said he'd be willing to give a key at first, but then when I asked him again he didn't answer me
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09:54 🔗 overdriv3 they are not bad people, they are actually aligned with free software and culture
09:54 🔗 overdriv3 and they don't do it for money, but to gather audio files for their research projects
09:54 🔗 overdriv3 still, there might be some bandwidth costs because they have a pretty big archive
09:55 🔗 overdriv3 I don't have an estimate but it's probably less than 15TB
09:55 🔗 arkiver So
09:55 🔗 overdriv3 they have 299609 samples
09:56 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: do you think we should grab this as WARCs and get it in the Wayback Machine?
09:56 🔗 overdriv3 but some of them are uncompressed, and over 50MB
09:56 🔗 arkiver (I'd like to do WARCs)
09:56 🔗 arkiver Or upload as Audio files to IA
09:56 🔗 overdriv3 I say upload audio files to IA
09:56 🔗 overdriv3 it's separate from the site after all
09:56 🔗 arkiver We can do both
09:56 🔗 overdriv3 cool
09:57 🔗 overdriv3 I'm willing to help with all the scripting and the sorting
09:57 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: if we do this as WARCs do the Wayback Machine, visitors from the pages in the Wayback Machine will see the logged in pages
09:57 🔗 arkiver overdriv3: that's ok
09:57 🔗 arkiver Do they have any download limits?
09:58 🔗 overdriv3 I don't think so
09:58 🔗 overdriv3 I'll check, please stand by
09:58 🔗 overdriv3 nope, nothing I could find
09:59 🔗 overdriv3 and besides, as I said, the lead dev was open to the idea of someone downloading the data and uploading it somewhere else (besides, the Creative Commons license explicitly allows it)
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10:03 🔗 arkiver Why did he go away :/
10:03 🔗 arkiver Anyway, I found an easy way to discover all songs outside of the API
10:03 🔗 arkiver Will be testing with an account now and then we're probably going to grab as WARCs if SketchCow agrees
10:06 🔗 PurpleSym Mailing them a few drives is not an option?
10:06 🔗 arkiver I'd like to have the original headers saved too so we can get this as a site in the Wayback Machine
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10:07 🔗 overdriv3 sorry people, I crashed
10:07 🔗 arkiver I think web content should be saved into WARCs always
10:07 🔗 overdriv3 what have I missed?
10:08 🔗 arkiver Normal files from people that aren't on the web should be saved on drives
10:08 🔗 arkiver <arkiver>Anyway, I found an easy way to discover all songs outside of the API
10:08 🔗 arkiver <arkiver>Will be testing with an account now and then we're probably going to grab as WARCs if SketchCow agrees
10:08 🔗 arkiver overdriv3 ^
10:08 🔗 overdriv3 thanks
10:08 🔗 arkiver and
10:08 🔗 arkiver <PurpleSym>Mailing them a few drives is not an option?
10:08 🔗 arkiver <arkiver>I'd like to have the original headers saved too so we can get this as a site in the Wayback Machine
10:08 🔗 arkiver And then you came back
10:08 🔗 arkiver (me talking about WARCs)
10:09 🔗 arkiver Anyway, sites looks easy, will test with an acount today and we'll have a grab running soon
10:09 🔗 overdriv3 Since it's very important to keep licensing info even when files are distributed without the website, I originally thought about creating a YAML file for each audio file containing copyright info
10:09 🔗 overdriv3 or another format, but YAML is human-readable and easy to generate
10:09 🔗 arkiver You know what WARCs are?
10:10 🔗 overdriv3 do you have a link?
10:10 🔗 overdriv3 it's an archive format, right?
10:10 🔗 arkiver http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=The_WARC_Ecosystem
10:10 🔗 overdriv3 I know that wget supports it
10:10 🔗 PurpleSym I’d do one IA item per Freesound item.
10:11 🔗 overdriv3 thanks arkiver
10:11 🔗 PurpleSym That should work nicely with IA’s own search engine.
10:11 🔗 arkiver We can extract the sounds from the Wayback Machine when they're in to upload them individually
10:12 🔗 arkiver Or have a second target and also have the warriors upload an audio copy to IA
10:12 🔗 overdriv3 PurpleSym: that's a good idea, and keep in mind Freesound already has tags and those could be ported to IA
10:12 🔗 overdriv3 I mean, without proper indexing it's very hard to find a sound
10:12 🔗 PurpleSym WARCs are not that useful in this case imo. Especially because search won’t work there.
10:13 🔗 arkiver We'll do both PurpleSym
10:13 🔗 arkiver That ok?
10:13 🔗 overdriv3 arkiver do you mean both WARCs and uploading audio files on Archive.org?
10:13 🔗 arkiver Yes
10:13 🔗 overdriv3 cool!
10:14 🔗 PurpleSym Sure.
10:14 🔗 arkiver Ok, awesome
10:15 🔗 overdriv3 how are you going to automate the porting of Freesound's licensing and author info (and tags, eventually) to IA?
10:15 🔗 arkiver Well, extract it from the page
10:15 🔗 arkiver Maybe upoad it as some type of file together with the audio file to the target for IA audio item upload
10:15 🔗 overdriv3 does IA have an API for uploaders?
10:16 🔗 Smiley s3
10:16 🔗 arkiver Yes
10:16 🔗 overdriv3 arkiver: I proposed YAML, would that be OK?
10:16 🔗 overdriv3 even JSON or XML
10:16 🔗 arkiver Well, IA supports tags and other etadata, so might be better to not add it to the IA item in some file but add it to the IA item as actual metadata
10:17 🔗 overdriv3 yes, so that it can be indexed via IA's search
10:17 🔗 arkiver yes
10:17 🔗 overdriv3 but let's say I want to mirror IA's data via torrent, can I distribute the metadata as well as the files?
10:17 🔗 arkiver yeah, IA allows to download metadata
10:18 🔗 overdriv3 cool!
10:18 🔗 overdriv3 so we're pretty much set
10:18 🔗 arkiver Yes
10:18 🔗 arkiver I'll be off now or some time, if you stay online we'l keep you informed
10:18 🔗 overdriv3 OK, same for me.
10:18 🔗 arkiver HCross: let's create a channel :)
10:19 🔗 HCross yes
10:20 🔗 HCross maybe #freeallthesounds
10:20 🔗 arkiver yes
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10:21 🔗 SketchCow QUICK INTERRUPTION
10:21 🔗 SketchCow All you kids get a voice
10:21 🔗 SketchCow I now have three collections on IA dedicated to CD-ROMs as a concept
10:21 🔗 SketchCow I want to collapse them into 1.
10:21 🔗 SketchCow So:
10:21 🔗 SketchCow - /details/cd-roms
10:21 🔗 SketchCow - /details/cdbbsarchive
10:22 🔗 SketchCow - /details/cdromsoftware
10:22 🔗 SketchCow Which wins
10:22 🔗 SketchCow I'll check when I get up tomorrow
10:22 🔗 HCross cd-roms is easier to remember
10:23 🔗 Smiley SketchCow: cd-roms or cdromsoftware.
10:23 🔗 Smiley Personally I prefer the first one
10:23 🔗 PurpleSym https://strawpoll.me/6998118 ?
10:23 🔗 Smiley But I'm a brit so...
10:25 🔗 dxrt yeah I like cd-roms
10:25 🔗 DFJustin I was organizing them so that cdbbsarchive is shareware stuff, coverdiscs is cover discs, and cdromsoftware is anything else
10:25 🔗 DFJustin dunno what's in cd-roms
10:27 🔗 DFJustin nothing yet it seems
10:27 🔗 DFJustin so I would say put cdbbsarchive and coverdiscs as sub-collections of cdromsoftware and have that be the top level umbrella
10:29 🔗 DFJustin or name it cdroms if you like, having a hyphen is annoying
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10:46 🔗 johtso are there any guides on the best way to archive cover discs?
10:47 🔗 johtso I have a ridiculous number of PC Pro cover discs..
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11:22 🔗 zino_ cd-roms for sure.
11:31 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: so it's ok if we create WARCs of logged in pages from the musicsite and get them into th Wayback Machine?
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13:46 🔗 dashcloud SketchCow: cdromsoftware is my vote
13:51 🔗 dashcloud johtso: generally, make an ISO of the disc(s), and a lossless scan of the CD itself, and the case/sleeve it came in (front and back of that)- I use PNG, but others prefer TIFF; make sure the DPI is at least 300.
13:52 🔗 dashcloud if you plan to upload to IA, put all of those things into a single item on IA
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14:31 🔗 johtso Awesome, is there anything to keep in mind when it comes to data integrity when making an ISO?
14:31 🔗 johtso Or will software tell you if there are any problems with ripping?
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14:56 🔗 dashcloud generally your software will tell you if there's a problem
14:57 🔗 dashcloud if your CD says it includes audio or is an Enhanced CD, you need to do things differently, but that's uncommon at best
14:58 🔗 dashcloud also, if you are going to upload to IA, check that the item isn't already uploaded there- tons and tons of stuff is already there (it's not the worst thing to have duplicates)
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15:51 🔗 SketchCow So, everyone likes cd-roms. Excellent.
15:53 🔗 SketchCow I should say the move to cd-roms is going to be the harbinger of a massive re-org of the cd-roms section.
15:54 🔗 SketchCow Because we're due.
15:54 🔗 SketchCow Tons of classification, etc.
15:54 🔗 SketchCow Lots of sub-areas
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16:06 🔗 SketchCow Obviously, this is going to take a while, but it needed it bad.
16:07 🔗 SketchCow Especially when I'm dumping in hundreds more, as are many others.
16:14 🔗 SketchCow Example: I just flung 80 more CD-ROMs that were sitting in the inbox on archive.org into cdromsoftware to sort
16:17 🔗 SketchCow DFJustin: I am definitely going to put cdbbsarchive under cd-roms
16:21 🔗 godane i figured the idea is to put all of cdrom based collections into one mega collection
16:21 🔗 godane that way there not just in software collection
16:21 🔗 godane there all in software -> cd-roms collection
16:21 🔗 SketchCow That's what I'm doing, dude
16:21 🔗 SketchCow I'm just making the movement right orderly
16:22 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/cdinstall
16:22 🔗 godane also coverdiscs would go there
16:22 🔗 SketchCow Just created that. All those driver CD-ROMs are going to go in there.
16:22 🔗 SketchCow coverdiscs ARE in there
16:22 🔗 godane ok
16:22 🔗 SketchCow I'm just moving collections over as I can
16:22 🔗 SketchCow It'll all work out
16:22 🔗 godane i know
16:22 🔗 SketchCow :)
16:22 🔗 godane i was not looking at it right now
16:22 🔗 SketchCow You're a great little fellow
16:23 🔗 godane btw i think i need to start getting vhs rips off of youtube
16:23 🔗 godane got one 4 hour tape from 1990-09-07
16:27 🔗 jut SketchCow:Does the internet archive have news archives from 1990-1991?
16:28 🔗 SketchCow Likely.
16:28 🔗 SketchCow Wait.
16:28 🔗 SketchCow Which news
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16:30 🔗 jut international
16:31 🔗 godane jut: there is MBC Newsdesk: https://archive.org/details/mbc_newsdesk
16:31 🔗 godane it has episodes from 1990 and 1991
16:31 🔗 godane its in korean
16:32 🔗 jut found it
16:32 🔗 jut https://archive.org/details/tagesschau-20-clock-evening-news-1990-03-11
16:32 🔗 godane that i also uploaded:
16:34 🔗 vitzli I have some more driver CD-ROMs
16:35 🔗 vitzli I'll upload them tomorrow, maybe
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16:57 🔗 SketchCow godane: notmainstreamtypical had to be taken down, owner requested.
17:03 🔗 godane ok
17:03 🔗 dashcloud can I upload png screenshots for dos games I want to emulate, or does it have to be .jpg?
17:04 🔗 godane still weird cause they have still on rev3: http://revision3.com/notmtv
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17:31 🔗 dashcloud SketchCow: I just uploaded this: https://archive.org/details/Xargon_Trilogy but the sound/music doesn't appear to be playing- is there something I missed?
17:37 🔗 Nemo_bis dashcloud: are you sure the ZIP name can be different from the item name? https://archive.org/download/Xargon_Trilogy
17:43 🔗 dashcloud is there a guideline somewhere that mentions that? http://digitize.archiveteam.org/index.php/Making_Software_Emulate_on_IA and http://digitize.archiveteam.org/index.php/Internet_Archive_Emulation don't mention anything about that
17:43 🔗 SketchCow Yes, the zip name can be different than the item name.
17:44 🔗 SketchCow dashcloud: sound music is playing. Are you using Safari or Edge/IE?
17:45 🔗 dashcloud hmm- must be a problem with my setup- Firefox on Linux here
17:45 🔗 SketchCow Yeah. It's working fine.
17:45 🔗 dashcloud thanks!
17:45 🔗 SketchCow Listening to the lovely tons.
17:45 🔗 SketchCow I'm going to run a screenshotter against it.
17:46 🔗 dashcloud you may have to have something press the enter key- I'm not sure if you can get past the opening screen without selecting something
17:47 🔗 SketchCow That's fine
17:47 🔗 SketchCow These aren't comprehensive.
17:47 🔗 SketchCow And it wants a bunch of keypresses. It'll look better than the disk icon
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17:52 🔗 SketchCow Done. Looking good!
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18:29 🔗 SketchCow I'll do wildman runs through it in coming days
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18:43 🔗 patrickod is archive team aware of the zaman turkish newspaper incident? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35735793
18:43 🔗 patrickod there's claims that the papers online archives will be destroyed in the government takeover
18:44 🔗 patrickod the wiki returns no search results for it so I'm guessing it's not on the radar
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18:46 🔗 patrickod hmm even at this point it might be too late to save much - articles linked from the homepage of zaman.com.tr are already throwing 404s
18:46 🔗 HCross patrickod, weve got archivebot on it
18:47 🔗 patrickod oh neato! forgot to check the archivebot page
18:47 🔗 patrickod that's wonderful! just found it on the status page
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19:04 🔗 dashcloud Another one of my favorites uploaded: https://archive.org/details/zone66_shareware
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19:55 🔗 MrRadar I'm prepareing to bulk-upload those Paramount films I downloaded. What collection should I put them under? (ping: Smiley, HCross)
19:56 🔗 DFJustin community video is the only one you would have access to
19:56 🔗 HCross opensource_movies
19:56 🔗 DFJustin ^
19:58 🔗 DFJustin also yeah making a push for driver cds would be great, someone gave me an old laptop and they seem to have saved every cd that came with it except the drivers, and hp.com has helpfully taken down anything older than 10 years
19:59 🔗 MrRadar OK
20:03 🔗 Smiley MrRadar: oh nice
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20:14 🔗 dashcloud DFJustin: I'm pretty sure we have an older FTP archive of hp that should have the driver you want
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20:25 🔗 MrRadar I've found one of these films is actually in the public domain. What field should I use with the Python IA uploader to set the license?
20:36 🔗 Nemo_bis MrRadar: public domain in which countries?
20:37 🔗 MrRadar USA
20:37 🔗 Nemo_bis before 1923 or what
20:37 🔗 MrRadar This film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Love_of_Martha_Ivers
20:38 🔗 MrRadar Wikipedia says they failed to renew the copyright in the 1970s
20:38 🔗 Nemo_bis that's quite a rare case :o
20:38 🔗 Nemo_bis anyway, use licenseurl = https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/
20:39 🔗 MrRadar Thanks
20:46 🔗 SketchCow I've discovered someone uploaded a pile of AtomicGamer.
20:48 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: what script do you use for uploading to the FTP collection? We currently don't use FOS for FTP, but I think we can reuse the script
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20:48 🔗 arkiver chfoo: SketchCow: can you please create a target for livejournal?
20:49 🔗 arkiver And SketchCow, do you agree with grabbing freesound.org as WARCs into the Wayback Machine?
20:49 🔗 SketchCow I do
20:49 🔗 SketchCow There's an argument to porting it to a collection, but it's better to wayback first
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20:50 🔗 arkiver Well, we have to login to get the best quality of the audiofiles, which means the Wayback Machine will get a logged in version
20:50 🔗 SketchCow Oh, this IS one of our guys.
20:50 🔗 SketchCow Who in our group was quaddicted?
20:50 🔗 arkiver No idea. Is it WARCs?
20:52 🔗 SketchCow It was NOT.
20:52 🔗 SketchCow "Sadly"
20:52 🔗 SketchCow For various values of sadly.
20:52 🔗 SketchCow I mean, it's 2,366 items, many of them gigabytes
20:55 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/atomicgamer The fun has begun.
20:55 🔗 SketchCow I just happened to find this while looking for other stuff.
20:57 🔗 zino_ arkiver: FYI I just made the GameTrailers module on eldrimner read-only.
20:57 🔗 arkiver Ok
21:04 🔗 SketchCow So, with the move of the AtomicGamer collection into its own set, the opensource collection (which is supposed to be for free books) only has 50 misclassified software items, not 2480
21:05 🔗 arkiver We got access to Google Code!!!
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21:05 🔗 arkiver The grab will restarted as soon I've requeued bad items from during the shutdown.
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21:10 🔗 wumpus I hear that "zaman" (turkish media company) is in danger of having its old material erased, anyone saving it?
21:11 🔗 wumpus see: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35735793
21:11 🔗 wumpus "One reporter, Abdullah Bozturk, said attempts were also under way to wipe the newspaper's entire online archive."
21:14 🔗 JesseW arkiver: great!
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21:15 🔗 JesseW SketchCow: glad to hear about the filtering of https://archive.org/details/opensource
21:21 🔗 JesseW SketchCow: would you be able to upload the contents (all 20G) of fos.textfiles.com:/0/CDROMS/new_ia_census into an item for me? I was going to have jake do it, but he seems to have not had a chance to respond to me lately.
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21:24 🔗 SketchCow You're a tireless collaborator
21:24 🔗 SketchCow And people get busy
21:24 🔗 SketchCow But sure.
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21:33 🔗 JesseW Hey, I get tired (and busy) too. But thanks.
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21:35 🔗 bsmith093 JesseW: ready to re-pack the grab yet?
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21:43 🔗 JesseW bsmith093: :-P once i free up the space
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22:18 🔗 bsmith093 JesseW: k then :)
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23:19 🔗 schbirid SketchCow> Who in our group was quaddicted? <- i am
23:19 🔗 schbirid i meant to request a collection for atomicgamer, didnt get around to it. sorry
23:20 🔗 schbirid thanks!
23:26 🔗 SketchCow No problem./
23:26 🔗 SketchCow Should have been WARCs.
23:26 🔗 SketchCow But the stuff's safe, that's what matters.
23:27 🔗 SketchCow You should "get around" to making an index object.
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