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"Is this something the Internet Archive would be interested in? From longtime wnyc dj, David Garland, .I've heard that WNYC Radio will soon remove much of the audio archive for my show Spinning On Air, which I presented there for nearly 30 years. Listen while you can! This link takes you to the archive, where you'll find many episodes, each of which has its own page. Feel free to share this link, o |
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SketchCow |
r episodes that feature your favorites among my many brilliant guests." |
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arkiver |
what's the link? |
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http://www.wnyc.org/shows/spinning/ |
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arkiver |
sounds like something for godane :) |
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http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/audio.wnyc.org/spinning/spinning091612.mp3 |
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arkiver |
yeah |
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godane |
starting to download it now |
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arkiver |
:D |
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godane: can you also grab everything as WARCsbesides mp3 for the audio items? |
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arkiver |
Also, we now have around 400 million URLs of fotolog saved!!! |
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Don't I know it. |
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Guest_ |
Weirdest thing ever. I did this tool for Archive.org and now I'm experiencing like 10k visitors a day, mostly from Canada (?) |
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JW_work |
what tool? |
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Guest_ |
JW_work waybackr.com |
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JW_work |
ah, I thought that was you |
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eddiedean |
Hehe |
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eddiedean |
I'm trying to figure out if some botnet targeted the website or what. |
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JW_work |
It's still not very clear to me what it offers. I tried it with a minimal, one page site and it hand that back to me as a zip file — but what does it do for larger things? |
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eddiedean |
Well, it is send to you via download. I mean, in your email you receive a download link. |
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eddiedean |
*sent |
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Gotta go. I'll be later around, and we can talk :) |
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Guest_: are you currently doing something with flickr and the wayback machine api> |
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? |
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eddiedean ^ |
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So, I am actively and aggressively downloading the Spinning on Air archives. |
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Only downside, if you want to call it that, is that it is REALLY a slow download. 100k/s |
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So, 8 minutes a podcast. 50mb apiece. |
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would more download streams help, or are they just straining their upstream? |
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SketchCow: i'm also downloading them |
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uploaded: https://archive.org/details/wnyc-spinning-on-air-08-14-2005 |
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I'm back - been away for a few days and connection dropped out |
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welcome back |
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SketchCow I'm getting 2.3MB/sec from that site |
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Woo hoo |
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godane: It's good you're grabbing them, but can you ensure all the metadata gets in there? |
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yeah I don't know how to do proper manual grabs of things :( I just make the scripts go, lol |
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godane: and please also do them as WARCs!!! |
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SketchCow: are you able to increase rsync connections to FOS? |
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arkiver |
Fotolog is really slowing down due to the 100 connections limit |
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arkiver |
And they should have shutdown quite some time ago, so I'm not sure how long they'll be up |
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Or can FOS not handle that at the moment? |
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arkiver we've been talking about FOS being slow for days :( |
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ErkDog |
I stopped my gametracker & wiki grabs, because it's just beating on FOS more |
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ErkDog |
I stopped them 4 days ago, and they are still trying to push out the pidly 20G that was stacked up on them |
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arkiver |
You can cancel all that then |
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arkiver |
I'll just requeue your items |
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arkiver |
fotolog really is a lot more important |
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ErkDog |
no I'm letting them flush, there's only 1 left |
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ErkDog |
it's just the last 1 of them that's finishing |
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arkiver: are we using FOS as the only rsync target for fotolog? |
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arkiver |
currently yes |
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ErkDog |
but from what I've seen and other people are saying, nobody can push more than 100-150KBytes/sec to FOS |
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arkiver: If we had another rsync box, that could possibly alleviate some of the headache, right? |
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arkiver |
definitely |
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phuzion |
Atluxity: Still around? |
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arkiver |
who owns fboyd? |
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HCross |
Fletcher |
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arkiver |
ok |
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arkiver |
Fletcher: I still have your target in the fotolog grab (deactivated) |
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Can we activate that for the WARC parts of the fotolog grab? |
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I'd spin up fotolog right now on 2 systems, but without an RSync target besides FOS, I'm not really doing anything usefull, and just slowing everyone else down |
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phuzion: hanging in here... |
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ErkDog |
if everyone that's here, could stop everything but fotolog that would help |
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HCross |
ErkDog, are they long term instances? |
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ErkDog |
beacuse then only fotolog would be going to FOS |
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ErkDog |
yes I can run them indefinitely |
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HCross |
hop in #newsgrabber |
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HCross |
we can put them to use |
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Atluxity: You hosted an rsync target at one point, didn't you? |
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ErkDog |
http://tracker.archiveteam.org/ftp/ |
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ErkDog |
I can push and pull some damn packets |
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ErkDog |
just have to have somewhere to push them |
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ErkDog |
I've done 2.1TB of FTP in less than a week bros |
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phuzion: no, I got a host ready to do so, but never got around to set up the rsync part |
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HCross |
ErkDog, newsgrabber doesnt use FOS |
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ErkDog |
lol you are trying to solicit me for newsgrabber ;) |
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HCross |
yes |
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phuzion: also, I am unsure about the speed available, that can be... interesting |
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ErkDog |
is there an e-Penis I mean tracker for it yet? |
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HCross |
not yet, its done differently |
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ErkDog |
awwwwwwww |
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phuzion |
Atluxity: How much disk do you have available? |
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arkiver, we need an "e-Penis tracker" |
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phuzion: 10TB |
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phuzion |
HCross: Leaderboards need to be represented by ascii dongs. 8=======> longer the dong, more data you've transferred. |
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ErkDog |
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET |
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ErkDog agrees |
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phuzion |
Atluxity: Are you willing to use that 10TB as an rsync target? I could possibly help you out a little bit with the setup |
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phuzion: I would be glad to give you access to it to help me out |
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I am not quite sure how well monitored the raid is, now that I come to think of why I did not go ahead last time I had time |
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Atluxity |
:\ |
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phuzion |
Awesome. I don't know what needs done for the megawarcing and whatnot, that's something that we'd need someone else's input on |
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phuzion |
Oh |
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phuzion: I got word the raid is monitored |
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ok |
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ErkDog |
add him as target for wiki & gametracker & fotolog |
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ErkDog |
so FOS can breath, lol |
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eeeeek |
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MrRadar |
It might be better to dedicate Atluxity's server to fotolog since that's most at risk right now |
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That's what I was thinking. |
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(MrRadar's idea) |
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so use the new untested thingy to handle the most endagered stuff? |
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how bad can it be? |
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whats the worst that could happen... |
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phuzion: ssh pub key to me privmsg, and I can give you access |
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I need to go to bed soon |
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LOL Atluxity :-D |
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Atluxity |
ErkDog :) |
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I guess having it and maybe something going wrong is better than not having it at all because FOS is overloaded ;( |
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ofc |
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Atluxity |
but this can look a bit like a ddos |
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and if the speed is any throttled, which is untested, then it will have the same effect |
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Atluxity |
hmm... someone sais the uplink is 100mbit :\ |
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Atluxity |
thats residential speeds |
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Frogging |
no |
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ErkDog |
well -decent- firewalls would see that it's legitimate traffic, I wouldn't say transfers from 20-30 locations would be a "ddos" per se |
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20-30 locations? I run 50 myself |
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ErkDog |
well that's probably why FOS is shitting all over itself |
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ErkDog is what happens when you anthropomorphize pv(1) |
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ErkDog |
if ONE person is pushing 50 rsynch's to it |
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ErkDog |
like do you know how harddrives work? and storage systems? lol |
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xmc |
yipdw: ha |
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xmc |
Atluxity: is it you who's aiming the proton cannon at fos? |
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ErkDog: if we want less pipelines, we can throttle the tracker? |
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ErkDog |
well true, but the problem is, I don't think anybody has any real way of seeing how many incoming rsynch's there are |
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xmc: I think I might be 50% of the reason... |
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ErkDog |
and whether it 'needed' to be throttled |
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and since there are half a dozen different trackers sending jobs in |
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yipdw |
I know how many there are, it's not really relevant though if fos needs work |
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I trust ppl to let me know when to hold back |
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well the fact remains, that any given system can only take X number of RSynch's before you end up with 1/Y performance per Rsync, where Y is a number less than 1 |
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ErkDog |
well Atluxity we've been saying for days how FOS is getting pounded in the face |
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yipdw |
I wish I could increase performance with more rsync processes |
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yipdw |
that'd be fucking awesome |
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ErkDog |
I mean greater than one |
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ErkDog |
Atluxity assuming no bottlenecks on bandwidth, so say, a 'lan' connection, 1 Rsynch will finish 50 units of work, faster than 50 rsync's will finish 1 unit each |
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Atluxity |
huh |
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yipdw |
anyway, fotolog is already at 60 requests/minute, I can push it down a little more and we'll see if it makes any difference |
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arkiver |
Hmm |
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arkiver |
It's not big items |
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yipdw |
I suspect the answer will remain "fos needs work" and we will know when it's fixed because SketchCow will tell us it's fixed |
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arkiver |
FTP is not going to FOS |
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ErkDog |
I know FTP isn't |
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arkiver |
GameTrailers can be paused. |
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ErkDog |
we are talking about fotolog, wiki & gametrailers |
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arkiver |
But fotolog is important, do not slow it down, slow other things doen |
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arkiver |
down* |
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ErkDog |
specifically targets to Fos |
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arkiver |
GameFront is paused |
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yipdw |
there isn't much else to slow down, really |
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ErkDog |
Atluxity if you have 50 workers going, then you are sending the haddrive to 50 different places all at the same time, whereas if you had 1 worker going it would send one stream of data |
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yipdw |
rsync traffic to fos is fotolog and gamefront |
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ErkDog |
and Wiki |
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xmc |
ErkDog: calm down |
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ErkDog |
wiki goes to FOS |
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arkiver |
And wiki is just really small |
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ErkDog: I got 50 hosts, running with a concurrency of 10 each... |
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yipdw |
root@teamarchive0:~# lsof 2>&1 | grep rsync | grep warrior | grep wiki |
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yipdw |
rsync 5063 1001 cwd DIR 9,1 12288 77596257 /1/CHFOO/warrior/wikis/Floxit |
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yipdw |
rsync 5077 1001 cwd DIR 9,1 12288 77596257 /1/CHFOO/warrior/wikis/Floxit |
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yipdw |
rsync 5077 1001 5u REG 9,1 543424512 77594660 /1/CHFOO/warrior/wikis/Floxit/.wikis-mediawikieu_hu.assassinscreed.wikia.com_api.php_hu.assassinscreed.wikia.com_wiki_-20160310-163250.warc.gz.rsZfI1 |
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arkiver |
Like really, not a lot is going to FOS |
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ErkDog |
well Atluxity said he didn't really understand what I meant |
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yipdw |
seriously stop telling me what I can find |
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arkiver |
it's not warrior projects I think |
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yipdw |
kthxbai |
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yipdw |
it's fotolog and if we can't slow it down then we'll just wait for fos to spring back |
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yipdw |
this isn't fatal |
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arkiver |
Then we'll wait for FOS to spring back |
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yipdw |
we might also be able to use Kenshin's stuff but I think he is still rebuilding the disk array on that one |
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ErkDog |
all I was trying to explain to Atluxity since he's running so many hosts, that if he's downloading faster than he can upload to FOS then having more hosts results in diminishing returns, as rsync to an overloaded target becomes the bottleneck |
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xmc |
YES WE KNOW |
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xmc |
jfc |
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ErkDog |
well he didn't seem to know, because when I explained it he said "huh" |
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ErkDog: I hate to be a debbie-downer here, but you are not telling us anything we don't know. |
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ErkDog |
and "I trust people to ask me to slow down" |
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phuzion |
we have literally known for __MONTHS__ that FOS is underpowered. |
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ErkDog was kicked by xmc (learn to keep your mouth shut a bit more) |
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I think that escalated too quickly |
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zino__: I'm afraid we need to use your target again |
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arkiver |
Would you have some rsync space available for fotolog? |
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yipdw |
zino__ has an rsync target? |
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arkiver |
Yeah |
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yipdw |
oh cool |
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arkiver: Okidokey then. :) |
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arkiver |
He still holds 12 TB of gametrailers |
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arkiver |
So we need to move that off still |
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yipdw: would you be able to move that 12 TB to IA? |
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ErkDog |
well every time I've mentioned FOS someone tells me it's my problem and to provide traceroutes |
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yipdw |
I could, I don't have access to itthough |
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xmc sets mode: +oo chfoo- chfoo |
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xmc sets mode: +o swebb |
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swebb sets mode: +o edsu |
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swebb sets mode: +o ersi |
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and I go 'but everyone can only push 100KBps' and then nobody says anything else about it, lol |
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xmc |
ErkDog: we've heard you loud and clear |
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yipdw |
if zino__ has space then it'll help a lot of things |
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ErkDog |
fair enough, also, to be fair, I still don't know many of you or what your roles in this team are.... the only thing I've been able to skry so far is that SketchCow works for archive.org and is in charge of FOS |
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yipdw |
loudest voice wins |
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ErkDog |
LOL |
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zino__ |
Status page says I have 14T left, but still expecting .8T from the ftpgrab. See http://eldrimner.lysator.liu.se:8080/archiveteam.txt |
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xmc |
loudest voice wins, not everyone gets +o |
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ohhhh zino__ is eldrimner you? |
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zino__ |
Yep |
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ErkDog |
I've been sending arkiver all kinds of queue's to add :-D |
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johtso |
Does anyone know of a good way to make sure a CD I'm archiving can be faithfully copied with dd as an ISO or whether I need to copy it as a BIN+CUE? |
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xmc |
johtso: is it multisession or does it have more than one track => bin/cue |
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arkiver |
zino__: let's get the gametrailers stuff off soon. I hope yipdw is able to do that |
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arkiver |
I see betadump and friendsreunited too |
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yipdw |
arkiver: if you have shell access, you can run the megawarc factory also |
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johtso |
xmc: is there a simple way to see what tracks a cd-rom has? |
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yipdw |
or zino__ can |
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arkiver |
yipdw: ok, will do |
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ErkDog |
If someone points fotolog @ eldrimner let me know, I'll spin up instances |
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arkiver |
I never used it though, so will need to figure some things out first |
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yipdw |
just make sure your S3 keys are granted upload access to that collection |
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arkiver |
ok |
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xmc |
johtso: i don't have a good way, sorry |
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zino__ |
arkiver: betadump (one of the empty ones) was created in case SketchCow needed it. Just in case. |
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arkiver |
I see |
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arkiver |
so fotolog is ready? |
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arkiver |
(I see the dir there) |
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zino__ |
Fotolog never got directed towards me, so also empty. :) |
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zino__ |
The ones that show 4.0K have never been used. |
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phuzion |
So, who here knows exactly what needs done to get an rsync target running? |
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phuzion |
Megawarcing and whatnot. |
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yipdw does |
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yipdw |
the README in archiveteam-megawarc-factory is pretty good |
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yipdw |
alard as usual was very meticulous |
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arkiver |
yep |
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zino__ |
arkiver: Misread you there I think, yes, fotolog is ready to receive if you need it. rsync module "fotolog". |
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zino__ |
I set it up last time there was some throuble and never removed it. |
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arkiver |
ok |
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arkiver |
I also PMed you about it |
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arkiver |
but will activate it now |
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zino__ |
Yea, but client isn't really good at showing me when I get PMs... |
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arkiver |
right, I'll let you know in this chat next time |
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arkiver |
FOS is deactivated for fotolog! |
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zino__ |
ErkDog: Pointing done. Do your thing. :) |
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ErkDog |
thanks :-D |
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arkiver |
It looks like the website is a lot faster then it was a week ago |
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bunch of stuff probably pushed up into cloudflare now, lol |
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zino__ what's your HDD setup like for that 28T array? |
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zino__ |
ErkDog: 12xSpinning rust + LSI Megaraid. Probably close to 5 years old by now. |
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arkiver |
chfoo: can you send me the logs for fotolog? Especially the log from today |
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arkiver |
Turns out fotolog gives an 'over capacity' message as 200 |
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zino__ |
ErkDog: Dell R515. |
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zino__ |
arkiver: Well, that's not nice. :-/ |
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arkiver |
yeah, fixing that in the script now |
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ErkDog |
spinning rust, lol |
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ErkDog |
Raid 5 or 1+0? |
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godane |
looks like wnyc.org is down or not displaying pages |
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ErkDog |
http://puu.sh/nBZNs/31c9709137.png |
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ErkDog |
loads for me |
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zino__ |
ErkDog: Raid 5+0 if I remember correctly. |
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ErkDog |
5+0????' |
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ErkDog |
ohhhhhhhhhhh |
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ErkDog |
that's an interesting model but also explains the performance |
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zino__ |
You mean the slowness? :) |
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well no because the 0 part gives you more speed across the individual blocks |
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xmc |
woop woop woop off-topic siren |
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xmc |
take it to #archiveteam-bs |
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xmc |
this is supposed to be a low traffic channel |
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ersi |
as well as a low-derp channel |
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HCross |
Best way of getting a copy of a phpBB forum into the archive? |
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HCross |
http://www.astra2forum.com is going away on the 14th |
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xmc |
archivebot with appropriate ignores |
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xmc |
or, wget-warc-lua with the phpbb script |
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though i think that's kind of fiddly |
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4 days is a really stupid notice |
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ErkDog |
it's a pretty small site |
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it has a link to Lycos on it, thats how old it is |
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