#archiveteam 2016-03-13,Sun

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00:18 🔗 Frogging arkiver: Looks like LJ returns 403 when you're banned
00:22 🔗 Frogging And I don't think the script checks for that
00:24 🔗 HCross2 *sigh*
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00:30 🔗 Frogging What is it, HCross2 ?
00:30 🔗 HCross2 That they ban
00:30 🔗 Frogging indeed
00:31 🔗 HCross2 How fast were you going?
00:32 🔗 Frogging --concurrent 4
00:36 🔗 Frogging not sure if that's a very helpful metric. It was on a VPS fwiw
00:39 🔗 arkiver Frogging: thanks!!
00:39 🔗 Frogging http://www.livejournal.com/bots/
00:40 🔗 Frogging "do not connect more than 5 times per second"
00:40 🔗 arkiver Yeah
00:40 🔗 Frogging etc
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00:43 🔗 Frogging I'm still banned. I wonder if they automatically unblock or if you need to contact them
00:43 🔗 arkiver Please keep me updated on this
00:43 🔗 arkiver It'd be good to know if it temporary or not
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00:44 🔗 Frogging sure hting
00:44 🔗 Frogging thing*
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00:49 🔗 arkiver Scrtips for livejournal discovery are updated!
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01:03 🔗 Frogging arkiver: Where is the rate limiting in your script, by the way?
01:03 🔗 arkiver Currently there's no rate limiting in the script
01:03 🔗 arkiver But if you keep your concurrent to 1 or 2 per IP you should be fine
01:03 🔗 Frogging k
01:03 🔗 arkiver Just 1 I think
01:10 🔗 Frogging arkiver: will probably have to go through the results at the end and re-discover 403'd pages
01:10 🔗 arkiver yeah, I already requeued some items
01:16 🔗 Asparagir Should be our new GIF icon: https://twitter.com/DinahHandel/status/707231351821496320
01:17 🔗 Frogging got another problem arkiver
01:17 🔗 Frogging sometimes 403 is a legit response http://www.livejournal.com/profile?userid=33478636
01:17 🔗 arkiver I see
01:17 🔗 arkiver I'm off to bed now, will fix that in the morning
01:17 🔗 arkiver thanks for reporting!
01:17 🔗 Frogging np
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01:51 🔗 Frogging arkiver: All my IPs are banned now :p
01:52 🔗 arkiver I paused the grab for now
01:52 🔗 arkiver we'll figure this out tomorrow
01:52 🔗 arkiver I paused the discovery*
01:52 🔗 Frogging yeah. I've got a script checking every few minutes if my IP from earlier was unbanned
01:53 🔗 Frogging so we'll see if it times out
01:53 🔗 Atluxity I got my 49hosts that might be used for this?
01:53 🔗 Frogging Atluxity: Keep them for now, until we figure out what kind of rate limiting we're dealing with
02:26 🔗 dashcloud Ravenloft: you can copy if you're using the Windows cmd.exe- right-click, choose Mark, drag a box over the whole message, and press enter- that copies the text in the box for you
02:33 🔗 davidar arkiver: hey
02:34 🔗 davidar Seems we're in opposite timezones :(
02:39 🔗 VADemon Do we have a channel for LiveJournal yet?
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02:47 🔗 wumpus Do you folks monitor servers like warctozip.archive.org ? It seems that it's currently down, has been down for a while, has been down in the past, and IA is not monitoring it.
02:47 🔗 wumpus and it prevents your Webshots download thing from working
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02:59 🔗 Atluxity "you folks" is not archive.org
02:59 🔗 Atluxity just to make it clear
03:00 🔗 wumpus I work at archive.org, "you folks" is Archive Team.
03:00 🔗 Atluxity I do not monitor servers like that, but maybe someone here does
03:00 🔗 Atluxity ah, cool
03:03 🔗 wumpus I suppose I should go cruise your wiki and find out who did the webshots work, or just ask textfiles
03:24 🔗 Frogging SketchCow is textfiles
03:28 🔗 wumpus He's going to be in the office on monday :-)
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03:57 🔗 Sk1d i am getting max rsync connections too fos
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04:01 🔗 Fletcher that is pretty much to be expected atm
04:07 🔗 Sk1d is there a new project?
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04:48 🔗 SketchCow Whut
04:49 🔗 SketchCow Not Monday. Friday.
04:49 🔗 SketchCow wumpus: It went down with a machine and I have a .zip file to bring it back and haven't yet.
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05:30 🔗 wumpus ok
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07:14 🔗 BnA-Rob1n got all my ip's banned on livejournal, but hey: public cloud. will trash my current machines and recreate some new ones
07:30 🔗 Frogging BnA-Rob1n: I'm waiting to find out how long it takes for bans to expire :p
07:31 🔗 Frogging You get banned fairly quickly, not sure I'd bother without some rate limiting
07:32 🔗 BnA-Rob1n yeah should be useful information, especially during the grab
07:33 🔗 BnA-Rob1n the grab itself is paused anyway, but just doing some preparations
07:33 🔗 BnA-Rob1n discovery is paused*
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07:38 🔗 Frogging been banned for almost 8 hours so fa
07:38 🔗 Frogging +r
07:42 🔗 Frogging anyway, time for bed since DST killed an hour
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10:07 🔗 SimpBrai1 found that if you hit lj about every 1.5 secs it's ok
10:08 🔗 SimpBrai1 my script had a 0.7-1.5 sec delay and didnt get banned
10:08 🔗 SimpBrai1 any quicker and its a risk
10:11 🔗 Nemo_bis not too bad
10:13 🔗 Sk1d how about #archivejournal
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11:18 🔗 Spilverga Hi comrades, i am so afraid about Yahoo's future, related to Tumblr content and Flickr, seems the tragedy of Geocities is far smaller, for the last informations (apologies if this isn't the correct channel), how we could archive that huges archives, vastly.metadata.enriched with hashtags? and graph.based data
11:21 🔗 Nemo_bis Tumblr is seemingly profitable, so it will probably be sold to someone who will keep it online and fear changing it for a while
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11:29 🔗 arkiver davidar: are you online?
11:30 🔗 davidar arkiver: o/
11:31 🔗 davidar just estimating some stats for the crawl, one sec
11:31 🔗 HCross davidar, how big do you estimate the total size of it all to be?
11:32 🔗 arkiver So, let's talk about the PDF project
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11:34 🔗 davidar alright, so it's not a list of only direct links to PDFs, as I was initially told
11:34 🔗 davidar it's also quite a bit bigger
11:34 🔗 arkiver Ok
11:35 🔗 davidar so, we have 250-300M URLs
11:35 🔗 arkiver Sounds good
11:35 🔗 davidar ~10% of those are direct links to PDFs
11:36 🔗 davidar the rest are mostly links to HTML landing pages
11:36 🔗 arkiver And then only the HTML needs to be downloaded? or are PDF files linked to from the HTML
11:36 🔗 davidar 10-15% have a citation_pdf_url meta tag giving a direct link to a PDF
11:37 🔗 davidar and another 10-15% have the PDF linked in an unstructured way (<a href=...)
11:37 🔗 arkiver Sounds very doable
11:38 🔗 arkiver Do you need any metadata extracted?
11:38 🔗 arkiver Or is saving the HTML and PDF files enough
11:38 🔗 Spilverga @Nemo_bis: Hi, maybe, but still to be risky about integrity of data, I think will be a huge work of archiving or directly archive from infrastructure mirror
11:38 🔗 davidar saving should be enough - we're going to be doing a bunch of post-processing on it anyway
11:39 🔗 arkiver ok!
11:39 🔗 davidar the tricky bit with the unstructured links is that it isn't always obvious what a PDF link looks like
11:39 🔗 arkiver Can you please get me the list? Then we'll figure out an example URL for every case so I know what we need to handle exactly
11:39 🔗 bzc6p If it will be a Warrior project or anything that needs more discussion, we could move it to some new channel.
11:39 🔗 arkiver Let's do that
11:39 🔗 arkiver Someone has an awesome idea for the big PDF project?
11:40 🔗 bzc6p On the top of my stack.. erm head is #pdflush
11:40 🔗 davidar idea as in a name?
11:40 🔗 HCross pdfyerheartout ?
11:40 🔗 arkiver #pdflush is nice and easy I think
11:40 🔗 HCross ^^^
11:41 🔗 bzc6p And for LiveJournal I have one idea too: #recordedjournal. Beacuse it won't be live but we record it
11:42 🔗 bzc6p I don't have ambitions of making my suggestions win, though, just giving ideas.
11:42 🔗 Spilverga #inmortalJournal :B
11:42 🔗 arkiver davidar: can you please join #pdflush ?
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13:06 🔗 VADemon #halflivejournal ?
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15:28 🔗 Frogging 15 hours later: still banned from LJ
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18:24 🔗 it1 hey
18:25 🔗 HCross Oh Hi there :)
18:26 🔗 it1 lol :)
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20:27 🔗 Sk1d I would say #recordedjournal is nice
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