#archiveteam 2011-12-25,Sun

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04:12 🔗 underscor <SketchCow> Just applied to speak at PDA 2012
04:12 🔗 underscor Don't you get in by default?
04:35 🔗 chronomex one does not simply walk into the archivers conference
05:02 🔗 underscor lol
05:02 🔗 underscor I want to attend it :(
05:04 🔗 underscor Too bad I won't be 18 :'(
05:06 🔗 chronomex is that necessary?
05:07 🔗 Wyatt|Wor It's always cool to me when I find a site that's pretty much untouched by the ravages of time. Like framin.com, Record created on 18-Aug-1996.
05:12 🔗 chronomex ticalc.org, last redesign 2001, record created 14-Jun-1996
05:12 🔗 chronomex :)
05:17 🔗 Wyatt|Wor Ooh, nice one. I must try harder.
05:18 🔗 chronomex I'm staff on ticalc.org, so it's kind of on my mind.
05:21 🔗 underscor chronomex: Yeah, cause my parents wouldn't let me go
05:21 🔗 underscor lol
05:22 🔗 yipdw| heh, speaking of old stuff, I just found a BASIC program I wrote in 1997
05:22 🔗 yipdw| damn.
05:22 🔗 PatC oo archive conference? where? :P
05:22 🔗 yipdw| what the hell was I thinking
05:23 🔗 tev I have some old QBasic stuff of my own from '97-'98 in my personal archive
05:23 🔗 tev My coding skills were kind of artrocious compared to now
05:24 🔗 tev atrocious*
05:25 🔗 tev I should learn how to spell a word before using it for the first time :P
05:26 🔗 yipdw| heh
05:26 🔗 chronomex why hello, tev
05:26 🔗 tev Hey
05:26 🔗 yipdw| there's a lot of DEF SEG = VARSEG(variable) in this code; I'm not sure how in the heck I found that more readable than e.g. C pointer syntax
05:26 🔗 yipdw| looking back on that and reading what DEF SEG and VARSEG do, I can't imagine it being any clearer
05:32 🔗 chronomex heh
05:33 🔗 underscor DNALOUNGE FRIENDSTER FTP-DOSE googlegroups LENSASSAMAN MAGS MYPODCAST NUTSACK SYNTH TORRENTS UNDA
05:33 🔗 underscor ls
05:33 🔗 underscor SketchCow sure loves all caps
05:33 🔗 chronomex yes.
05:33 🔗 yipdw| ls NUTSACK
05:34 🔗 chronomex ls UNDA
05:34 🔗 underscor spermy.001 spermy.002 spermy.003 spermy.004
05:34 🔗 Wyatt|Wor Caps are nice, they keep your head warm
05:34 🔗 underscor ls: cannot open directory UNDA: Permission denied
05:34 🔗 underscor :o
05:34 🔗 underscor must be top secret
05:36 🔗 underscor WHEE ANOTHER MAGAZINE DONE
05:37 🔗 chronomex o_o
05:38 🔗 yipdw| file NUTSACK/spermy.001
05:38 🔗 underscor chronomex: http://www.archive.org/details/pulpmagazinearchive
05:39 🔗 underscor spermy.001: Zip archive data, at least one egg to extract
05:39 🔗 yipdw| rm -rf *
05:39 🔗 yipdw| :D
05:39 🔗 yipdw| wait, "at least one egg"?
05:39 🔗 yipdw| not sure what that means
05:39 🔗 chronomex heheh
05:40 🔗 underscor rm: You must pass --no-preserve-gametes to delete these files
05:40 🔗 yipdw| hah
05:40 🔗 underscor :D
06:24 🔗 Wyatt|Wor Hey, did those scans of...err, those large books from Ma Bell...did any of those make it up to IA yet?
06:31 🔗 Coderjoe well that was interesting...
06:31 🔗 Coderjoe I got something I honestly was not expecting
06:31 🔗 Coderjoe I was given 4 new HD-DVDs
06:33 🔗 Wyatt|Wor Merry Christmas?
06:33 🔗 Wyatt|Wor Either that or it's a new age lump of coal...
06:34 🔗 Coderjoe they were on one of my amazon wishlists
06:34 🔗 Coderjoe that I put together right around the time the format died
06:36 🔗 Wyatt|Wor Then Merry Christmas it is!
06:38 🔗 Coderjoe I'm a weirdo that collects old media!
06:41 🔗 Wyatt|Wor You never know, that could become currency someday! (What with the bottle cap market inflation driving their value down)
08:06 🔗 Wyatt|Wor Interesting little project: http://code.google.com/p/viewdataviewer/
08:23 🔗 SketchCow This IS interesting.
08:25 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/stream/detective_tales_v28n03_1944-10_popular#page/n1/mode/1up
08:57 🔗 DFJustin I still have my qbasic stuff back to 1996
08:57 🔗 DFJustin and a bunch from the internet circa 1998-2000 which I should probably put somewhere one of these days
09:01 🔗 DFJustin looks like the wayback machine got a lot of the qbasic.com content
09:03 🔗 chronomex Wyatt|Wor: many are making their way. If you want to accelerate my progress, come to Seattle!
09:04 🔗 Wyatt|Wor chronomex: Ah, I see. I'd love to, but they don't let me telecommute.
09:04 🔗 chronomex alas alack
09:04 🔗 chronomex where are you based?
09:04 🔗 Wyatt|Wor Smack in the middle of Ohio.
09:05 🔗 chronomex that's a bit far to commute.
10:38 🔗 SketchCow Just watched the Red Letter Media review of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. Good stuff.
11:42 🔗 chronomex I'm about to dump in 4 gigs of bell system scans
11:42 🔗 chronomex 2,702 pages total
11:42 🔗 chronomex including the master numerical index
11:42 🔗 chronomex so, SketchCow, you can look for the "how to barricade your telephone building" document
11:43 🔗 Wyatt|Wor But will it be an almost Peter Pan-ish unwillingness to accept entry to his building?
11:44 🔗 SketchCow Oh delicious.
11:44 🔗 SketchCow I love that thing.
11:44 🔗 chronomex a document which I believe is a myth
11:44 🔗 SketchCow Strike Manual, dude, that's the name.
11:44 🔗 chronomex but cannot prove either way
11:44 🔗 chronomex it may have been expunged by the 1984 manual, which is the one I have
11:45 🔗 SketchCow Did legal poopy give up on stopping the uploads?
11:45 🔗 SketchCow Is this going into Internet Archive?
11:45 🔗 chronomex uploads have been on hold mostly due to other initiatives taking precedence
11:45 🔗 chronomex and yes this is going into archive.org
11:45 🔗 SketchCow I am the happiest motherfucker on the face of the earth.
11:45 🔗 SketchCow Let me know if I can help anywhere with it.
11:46 🔗 chronomex I'm still darking them for now, though
11:46 🔗 chronomex though I'll make the index light
11:46 🔗 chronomex just because
11:46 🔗 SketchCow I can live with that for now.
11:46 🔗 chronomex deriving it will take a while probably
11:46 🔗 SketchCow Just as long as the work will be going on.
11:46 🔗 chronomex I have no plans to stop.
11:46 🔗 SketchCow Believe it or not, the deriving is much faster, they added more capacity.
11:47 🔗 chronomex oreeeley
11:47 🔗 chronomex finally
11:51 🔗 * chronomex works around stupid bug in deriver, for now
11:58 🔗 Nemo_bis I see also some 4 cores OCR machines, aren't those new?
11:58 🔗 SketchCow They're giving more resources, more machines, towards deriving.
11:59 🔗 SketchCow They also fixed some backchannel stuff (with some hiccups) to allow the whole process to work faster. It's all good.
11:59 🔗 chronomex shit, how did it get to be 4am
11:59 🔗 SketchCow I mean, make no mistake, my constant uploading of bullshit is obliterating things, but that's how it goes.
12:00 🔗 SketchCow Sadly, or maybe not so sadly, I'd loaded Jamendo up to October 28, 2011.
12:00 🔗 SketchCow Now I'm trying to pick up all the albums uploaded SINCE October 28, and of course here we go with another 2000 albums or something.
12:00 🔗 SketchCow It's obvious I'm going to have to automate this going forward.
12:02 🔗 Nemo_bis :)
12:02 🔗 Nemo_bis http://www.archive.org/details/youporn.com
12:02 🔗 Nemo_bis ?
12:02 🔗 SketchCow Hooray
12:04 🔗 Nemo_bis I want my pony back http://tracker.archive.org/batcave.png
12:18 🔗 chronomex SketchCow: the guy who's actually in charge at the museum has told me "I don't care what you do with the scans so long as it doesn't put us in danger of having to shut down"
12:18 🔗 chronomex the guy who is all "whoa whoa whoa" is not actually decision maker #1
12:25 🔗 SketchCow Good
12:26 🔗 * chronomex hits "go" on the master index
12:28 🔗 SketchCow "Go into the ground, put a plastic bag over your head, and play astronaut. You're done."
12:28 🔗 SketchCow Give me the itemname!
12:29 🔗 chronomex bellsystem_BSP_000-000-002
12:30 🔗 chronomex it's going to take a while
12:32 🔗 SketchCow Something's wrong, it stopped.
12:32 🔗 chronomex it's kind of a shame we don't have a color sheetfeeder, the blue and red stripes on the front cover are something else
12:32 🔗 SketchCow Or something.
12:32 🔗 chronomex curl is still doing its thing
12:32 🔗 SketchCow Oh, I see, you're still uploading, got it.
12:32 🔗 chronomex a.o has seen the metadata and created the item
12:32 🔗 chronomex but yes
12:32 🔗 SketchCow Was worried.
12:33 🔗 chronomex aye
12:33 🔗 chronomex you'll have to wait a little while I guess
12:33 🔗 chronomex merry christmas!
12:38 🔗 SketchCow As long as it's going down.
12:38 🔗 SketchCow That's all that matters.
12:38 🔗 SketchCow I've been up since 4am getting things in order over here.
12:42 🔗 SketchCow Oh, and of course the funny thing with statusboard is it hitting such attention JUST as everyone goes home for the holidays.
12:42 🔗 SketchCow Oh well.
12:42 🔗 SketchCow I just watched all the places empty out, 0 today.
12:42 🔗 * chronomex shrugs
12:44 🔗 SketchCow I know, mend my broken heart, etc.
12:45 🔗 chronomex 10%
12:47 🔗 SketchCow Wow, how big is this thing?
12:48 🔗 SketchCow If you want, you can always mail a hard drive, by the way.
12:48 🔗 SketchCow I can push that shit right in.
12:48 🔗 chronomex -rw-r--r-- 1 duncan duncan 1.2G Dec 25 04:26 bellsystem_BSP_000-000-002_images.zip
12:48 🔗 chronomex 300dpi, grey256, 680 pages
12:49 🔗 chronomex I have bandwidth to burn, just not really at home
12:58 🔗 SketchCow Sweeet
12:59 🔗 Wyatt Wow, Shenzhen is really tearing it up. 18 Kilobooks in a month?
12:59 🔗 SketchCow They are literally sent shipping containers
12:59 🔗 chronomex actually this one is 400dpi, I was willing to trade the extra scan time for OCR quality
12:59 🔗 SketchCow They're the engine driving the scanning
13:01 🔗 Wyatt Shipping containers.
13:01 🔗 Wyatt Information Cube-scale?
13:01 🔗 Nemo_bis nice, they cost nothing TO Chine
13:02 🔗 Nemo_bis *China
13:02 🔗 SketchCow Yes, 40 footers
13:02 🔗 SketchCow Of books.
13:02 🔗 Nemo_bis Of those books thrown away by libraries?
13:02 🔗 Wyatt Good jeebus,
13:02 🔗 SketchCow Some are donations, some are lends, etc.
13:02 🔗 SketchCow The thrown away by libraries numbers WERE small.
13:02 🔗 SketchCow The SF Public dump (130,000) was a special case.
13:03 🔗 Nemo_bis It's funny that IA used stimulus plan resources to scan books and now outsources to China :-p
13:03 🔗 SketchCow I forget the full number, but IA was able to scan through all those 130,000, find the uniques, and donate the rest.
13:03 🔗 Nemo_bis small? too bad, I thought the project was amazing
13:03 🔗 Nemo_bis how is the IA going to fill that huge building I saw in the blog, then? :)
13:04 🔗 SketchCow I just mean they get donations but there's more at stake there.
13:04 🔗 SketchCow You're misunderstanding me.
13:04 🔗 SketchCow The amount they get DONATED is sizeable, the amount "thrown away by libraries" is small.
13:04 🔗 SketchCow "Thrown away by libraries" is a very specific set of circumstances.
13:04 🔗 chronomex librarians aren't the monsters you seem to think they are
13:04 🔗 SketchCow Me or Nemo
13:04 🔗 Nemo_bis me I guess
13:04 🔗 chronomex nemo
13:05 🔗 Nemo_bis You don't need to be a monster to throw away books
13:05 🔗 Nemo_bis e.g. in my university keeping them costs millions
13:05 🔗 Nemo_bis so we just wait for them to be destroyed by time; that's not much better
13:05 🔗 chronomex yes, that is called a "library" and it costs "money" to run
13:05 🔗 chronomex :P
13:06 🔗 Nemo_bis not if nobody reads them ;-)
13:07 🔗 chronomex 20%
13:07 🔗 Nemo_bis would the IA be interested in some shelf-km of obsolete medicine journals? :-p
13:07 🔗 chronomex I don't see why not.
13:08 🔗 Nemo_bis I can imagine some reasons :)
13:08 🔗 chronomex try me
13:09 🔗 Nemo_bis 1) Managing journals is more difficult than books. They don't have ISBN, they're more fragile, there are more items with less content each, they're more fragile.
13:10 🔗 Nemo_bis 2) Obsolete journals are less interesting than old books.
13:10 🔗 Nemo_bis 3) There might be lots of copyright problems and investigating them it's a mess.
13:10 🔗 chronomex 1) ISSN. Yes. Sure, but I think the main driver of scan time is page count.
13:10 🔗 Nemo_bis But yes, who knows, perhaps they'd like to have them and my university would like to save some millions for the new deposit
13:11 🔗 chronomex 2) Matter of perspective. Is important to know how we got here.
13:11 🔗 chronomex 3) More so than books? Many journals demand copyright transfer.
13:11 🔗 Nemo_bis 1) It's no scan, it's managing the items. http://blog.archive.org/2011/06/06/why-preserve-books-the-new-physical-archive-of-the-internet-archive/ describes the process and that's the most important factor ISSN is for titles, not issues
13:11 🔗 Nemo_bis 2) I said less important, not unimportant.
13:12 🔗 chronomex ISSN + volume nr + issue nr
13:12 🔗 Nemo_bis you see, three things instead of one :)
13:12 🔗 chronomex some books come in multiple volumes but still have only one ISBN
13:12 🔗 Nemo_bis 3) All of them, actually, this doesn't make them better; and they're recent. A medicine journal is obsolete after a dozen years
13:12 🔗 chronomex usually if they were sold as a package
13:12 🔗 SketchCow I'm trying to understand the nature of the discussion.
13:13 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow, I don't now it either :-p
13:13 🔗 Nemo_bis just speculating on how the IA would react I guess
13:13 🔗 SketchCow You realize my tolerance for people sitting around going "This can't possibly work" is less than zero. Right.
13:13 🔗 chronomex I think Nemo_bis is trying to apologize for the hypothetical sins of collections managers, and I'm being stubborn.
13:14 🔗 SketchCow Like, that's really boring. Go watch Discovery Channel and eat some Funyuns.
13:14 🔗 Nemo_bis I'm going to have lunch now :)
13:14 🔗 SketchCow Enjoy the FunYuns.
13:14 🔗 chronomex ha
13:17 🔗 SketchCow 2011-12-25 05:17:40 (147 MB/s) - `102000-102999/torrentsogg/[102762] Floppy Porn - Floppy Drive -- Jamendo - OGG Vorbis q7 - 2011.11.28 [www.jamendo.com].torrent' saved [1609/1609]
13:17 🔗 SketchCow Well now
13:18 🔗 SketchCow Huh.
13:18 🔗 SketchCow Well, it just successfully downloaded an album that was deleted.
13:18 🔗 SketchCow Weeeird
13:21 🔗 Wyatt Where Weeeird==awesome.
13:24 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, no complaints.
13:27 🔗 SketchCow I'm trying to demolish all sorts of to-dos today and pack for NYC, get things going well.
13:28 🔗 SketchCow Hopefully it'll be a productive vacation week among a bunch of fronts.
13:28 🔗 SketchCow I'm SUPPOSED to produce a 40 minute podcast/performance for a Barcelona appearance
13:28 🔗 SketchCow The big thing is my voice is not ready.
13:28 🔗 * chronomex zzzz
13:28 🔗 SketchCow I wrote this some time ago: http://rhizome.org/editorial/2011/dec/13/rhizome-community-campaign-message-jason-scott/
13:29 🔗 SketchCow Thanks for the awesome upload, chronomex
13:29 🔗 SketchCow Austin is not far away!!
13:32 🔗 SketchCow http://documentary.textfiles.com/
13:46 🔗 Dark_star SketchCow: for the Shareware CD archive, do you need the physical CDs or do you also accept ISOs + Scans? that'd be cheaper than sending a package across the ocean :)
13:49 🔗 SketchCow I prefer the originals but will accept the ISOs and Scans for now.
13:50 🔗 SketchCow If you ever are going to dispose of them, I want them.
13:50 🔗 SketchCow I'll pay.
13:56 🔗 Dark_star well okay. Maybe I'll keep the ISOs for myself and send you the originals, I haven't decided yet... :) you want some coverdisks (from German magazines) too?
13:58 🔗 SketchCow All
14:04 🔗 Dark_star ok I'll see what I can find here. It's probably not so many Shareware CDs (around 50-80 or so) but also eval software, lots of coverdisks, MSDN stuff, one or two old SUSE Linux distributions and some assorted bits&pieces
14:05 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, it's better if I get originals.
14:10 🔗 SketchCow http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BiC51tqEmME
14:10 🔗 SketchCow hahahah
14:10 🔗 SketchCow That makes my day.
16:37 🔗 underscor <SketchCow> Like, that's really boring. Go watch Discovery Channel and eat some Funyuns.
16:37 🔗 underscor hahahaha
16:38 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/google-video-metadata-dumpage
16:58 🔗 SketchCow inbox down to 28 messages first time since april
17:41 🔗 SketchCow I'm respondng to the nightmares, the messages and mails where people would send me, no joke, 20-paragraph e-mails covering BBSes, Tape, Arcades, and the 6502. Seriously. With action items peppered in.
18:11 🔗 SketchCow 16
18:18 🔗 underscor hahaha
18:18 🔗 underscor that's awesome
18:30 🔗 underscor SketchCow: How did you upload that?
18:30 🔗 underscor contrib-submit or FTP?
18:42 🔗 SketchCow FTO
18:42 🔗 SketchCow FTP
18:42 🔗 SketchCow Fuck contrib-submit
18:42 🔗 SketchCow I use what people use.
18:44 🔗 SketchCow 36,707 albums uploaded!
18:44 🔗 SketchCow More than any person here will ever listen to!
20:51 🔗 chronomex g'mawrnin
20:51 🔗 chronomex an merr' chrismas
21:19 🔗 chronomex argh stupid deriver
21:28 🔗 yipdw| "Lamar Smith (R-Hollywood)"
21:28 🔗 yipdw| heh
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