#archiveteam 2012-03-26,Mon

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00:32 πŸ”— SketchCow I suspect it won't be that big a deal.
00:32 πŸ”— SketchCow But we'll see how it goes.
00:37 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor If (when?) Mozilla adopts, PPAPI, I think NaCl becomes a possibility too, no? Not as universal as JS right now, but browsers sandboxing for lower-level access seems to be the trend.
00:57 πŸ”— SketchCow No
00:57 πŸ”— SketchCow NaCL is death
01:00 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Really? How so?
01:03 πŸ”— SketchCow It's retarded directx.
01:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Dude, I want JSMESS on EVERYTHING.
01:03 πŸ”— SketchCow I don't want to compromise.
01:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Otherwise, what's the point?
01:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Hooray? I got shit working in NaCL because Chrome now does .exes?
01:04 πŸ”— SketchCow So nah
01:04 πŸ”— SketchCow Go for broke.
01:04 πŸ”— brayden Oh nice. 4TB Hitachi drive. That's new.
01:04 πŸ”— brayden Except it is $400!
01:07 πŸ”— Ymgve cutting edge tech is always expensive
01:07 πŸ”— brayden Unfortunately all HDDs here seem to be about $40 higher than they should be.
01:08 πŸ”— Ymgve http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/20/135238/seagate-hits-1-terabit-per-square-inch
01:08 πŸ”— Ymgve mm, 6tb drives
01:08 πŸ”— brayden I need that.
01:08 πŸ”— Ymgve and in a few years, 60tb drives!
01:08 πŸ”— brayden Need them!
01:09 πŸ”— brayden and believe it or not.
01:09 πŸ”— brayden I'm legally using that space.
01:09 πŸ”— Ymgve I wonder how much you could cram into a 3.5 SSD
01:09 πŸ”— Ymgve are you google?
01:09 πŸ”— brayden MPEG-2 codec that people use in broadcast TV is horrible. Windows Media Centre makes no effort to compress it too.
01:11 πŸ”— brayden But I have a program compress it with the MP4 codec with AAC audio and that helps a lot but I keep the originals so they double up.
01:12 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor SketchCow: I'm honestly unsure where DirectX comes into this. But anyway, once it targets LLVM IR instead of the host arch, it'll be fine, right?
01:12 πŸ”— Ymgve btw, does WinXP play nice with 3 TB drives?
01:13 πŸ”— brayden Who knows.. :P
01:13 πŸ”— Ymgve using them as storage, not booting from them
01:18 πŸ”— Ymgve bleh, there's a driver, but it costs $20
01:18 πŸ”— Coderjoe i haven't tried yet
01:18 πŸ”— Coderjoe i would be surprised if the drive mfgrs didn't provide some sort of hack
01:19 πŸ”— Coderjoe put it in a linux or bsd box and share it to windows using samba?
01:22 πŸ”— Ymgve well, the main reason is I don't want to reinstall
01:22 πŸ”— Ymgve if not I'd just use win7 and be done with it
01:24 πŸ”— brayden May as well just upgrade now
01:54 πŸ”— shaqfu Looks like those drives would have bad write speeds, if you have to heat the bits first every time you write
01:54 πŸ”— shaqfu But if you're using 6TB drives, I doubt you care for write speed...
01:56 πŸ”— brayden If it is fast enough to stream compressed 1080p I'll be fine :P
01:56 πŸ”— brayden But by the time I"d get one It'd probably be preferable to do 4096p
01:56 πŸ”— shaqfu Read speed's unaffected; that's traditional
01:56 πŸ”— shaqfu And yeah, who knows what broadcast standard'll be when those hit
01:57 πŸ”— brayden It'd be likely whatever standard it is, would be delivered via IPTV. At least for Australia.
01:59 πŸ”— brayden IPTV is already getting fairly popular in the US and Europe it seems but in Australia it is too slow at the moment. Hopefully that'll change soon.
02:01 πŸ”— shaqfu Sadly, it doesn't go well with bandwidth caps the telcos seem to love
02:02 πŸ”— dashcloud if you plan to use 3 TB+ drives in XP, make sure the alignment is correct- there's probably a tool or setting for it included with the drive
02:04 πŸ”— brayden Over here at least there is an IPTV provider called FetchTV and every implementation appears to give you uncapped bandwidth but the limiting factor is just the slow speed of connections.
05:02 πŸ”— aggro Update: I'm getting mostly 8.0k's again. However, some of them are coming in at higher sizes.
05:02 πŸ”— aggro grr. wrong channel.
05:32 πŸ”— underscor http://moviesascode.net/
05:54 πŸ”— SketchCow Juuuust saying hi
05:54 πŸ”— SketchCow 21:17 < Wyatt|Wor> SketchCow: I'm honestly unsure where DirectX comes into this.
05:55 πŸ”— SketchCow DirectX was a hack by microsoft admitting that Windows was, even at that point, so fucked up with middleware and shitola that only direct system calls could get to proper speed.
05:55 πŸ”— SketchCow So they made direct calls... and then kept it going... changing shit randomly... until they killed it.
05:56 πŸ”— SketchCow NaCL is the same - just fuck the browser.
05:56 πŸ”— SketchCow But it's asking a LOT to think all other browsers are going to do this NaCL thing, or that it'll ever be a standard.
05:56 πŸ”— SketchCow Google is not to be trusted.
05:56 πŸ”— SketchCow And that's what I mean with it.
05:56 πŸ”— SketchCow AND NOW BED
05:56 πŸ”— balrog_ what's the context here?
05:56 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Ahh, I see. Well, we'll see where it goes, I suppose.
05:57 πŸ”— balrog_ as for NaCl Ҁ¦ I wanna see where PNaCl goes
05:57 πŸ”— balrog_ since NaCl has the issue of being un-portable
05:57 πŸ”— aggro I see NaCl and all I can think of is table salt.
05:57 πŸ”— SketchCow You're supposed to
05:57 πŸ”— SketchCow I see NaCL and I think "Oh boy, ActiveX"
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ the biggest thing with NaCl imho is that it's not portable
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ you need two things, portability and platform independence
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ I believe they got (2) but not (1)
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ which is one step better than DirectX
05:58 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor balrog_: Which is why targeting LLVM IR is so compelling.
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ err
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ ActiveX
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ which was both non-portable and platform dependent
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ yes
05:58 πŸ”— balrog_ exactly
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Active Setup
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Active Template Library (ATL)
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Google Native Client, an alternative development from Google
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow IUnknown interface
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow See also
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow NPAPI, an alternative interface for web-browser plugins
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Windows DNA
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Java Beans
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Silverlight
05:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Flex
06:00 πŸ”— SketchCow I am SO EXCITED to work REALLY HARD on supporting ONE OF THESE
06:00 πŸ”— SketchCow Wait no.
06:00 πŸ”— SketchCow Javascript
06:01 πŸ”— SketchCow Aaaanyway, sit back and wait for JSMESS to be a reality
06:01 πŸ”— SketchCow It's already fixed tons of bugs in Emscripten and MESS
06:01 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor I believe it. Porting things tends to root out the obscurest crap
06:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Once we do this, if by some trick of the moon the ready-for-the-glue-factory mare YOU'RE backing veers ahead, the cleanup on MESS will make porting it that much easier.
06:03 πŸ”— SketchCow That's what I'm forcing it.
06:03 πŸ”— SketchCow It's priority one.
06:03 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor To be clear, I don't disagree with Javascript for the present. Given the circumstances, it's the most ubiquitous choice.
06:04 πŸ”— balrog_ JS is nice, but doesn't cut it for performance. While the simpler stuff will probably work just fine for now, the more complex systems (which MESS is quickly getting better at) probably won't. and as the simpler stuff becomes more accurateҀ¦
06:05 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor balrog_: That's only somewhat relevant.
06:06 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor JS interpreters will get faster, to a point. Hardware will improve to a point, and the work won't just disappear.
06:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Adorable.
06:07 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, before I take one the team members and grind them into the dust over an inevitability, I'm going to go to sleep. lots to do tomorrow.
06:12 πŸ”— balrog_ heh, Emscripten uses LLVM IR as input
06:12 πŸ”— balrog_ which means any MESS bugs that affect it probably would affect PNaCl too
06:14 πŸ”— DFJustin "tons of bugs" is a bit of an overstatement for the mess side, I can only think of like one clang compiler warning fix that's come from this, definitely emscripten bugs have been fixed though
06:16 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Oh wow, and I didn't even realise it was an LLVM backend.
06:22 πŸ”— DFJustin most of the mess work has consisted of finding and turning of stuff that fucks up emscripten like inline asm coming in from system includes
06:22 πŸ”— DFJustin *off
06:23 πŸ”— DFJustin which would definitely be valuable for e.g. pnacl
06:25 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Emscripten uses canvas as the display surface?
06:27 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Okay, yeah, looks like it.
06:35 πŸ”— godane i think i found something interseting
06:35 πŸ”— godane doctor who magazine
06:35 πŸ”— godane i think the full collection too
11:15 πŸ”— Greeneyed Hi
11:39 πŸ”— emijrp i get a weird error while login into AT wiki
11:39 πŸ”— emijrp cookies
11:40 πŸ”— emijrp in the other side of the interwebz http://longbets.org/601/
11:43 πŸ”— tef_ heh
11:43 πŸ”— tef_ let's hope they don't break dns
11:46 πŸ”— tef_ ersi: if you do push your changes back to github on your own repo
11:46 πŸ”— tef_ I can do a bif of code review :3
11:50 πŸ”— ersi tef_: I'll give you a poke when I've done so :)
11:51 πŸ”— tef_ ersi: the thing is you get over the shame of pushing your terrible code after a while
11:51 πŸ”— tef_ i am working on the 'not pushing terrible things' bit but that's a lifetime
11:51 πŸ”— ersi tef_: it's not that, it's just I havn't sat down to push it what so ever :)
11:51 πŸ”— tef_ aaaaah
11:51 πŸ”— tef_ cool
11:52 πŸ”— tef_ git commit -am'tef made me' && git push origin master
11:52 πŸ”— tef_ :-)
11:52 πŸ”— ersi i'm a software tester and a open source users, I'm alright with ugly code
11:52 πŸ”— ersi ^_^
11:55 πŸ”— emijrp anyone can login into the AT wiki?
11:55 πŸ”— ersi hopefully only those with user accounts can log onto the AT wiki
11:55 πŸ”— emijrp Cap. Obvious.
13:52 πŸ”— SketchCow emijrp - I see the problem too.
13:52 πŸ”— SketchCow Whoops, he's gone.
13:53 πŸ”— SketchCow Warning: Unknown: write failed: No space left on device (28) in Unknown on line 0
13:53 πŸ”— SketchCow Warning: Unknown: Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown on line 0
13:53 πŸ”— SketchCow a hah
13:54 πŸ”— ersi Now, *there*'s your problem sir
14:01 πŸ”— LordNlptp need another 3tb disk in that array i guess
14:01 πŸ”— SketchCow No, we're using only 300mb of the space
14:01 πŸ”— SketchCow But the shared machine obviously has something filling /tmp
14:01 πŸ”— LordNlptp ah
14:03 πŸ”— ersi Could change that session dir to an own folder within your own storage space on the shared host :)
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow ----------------
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Thanks, Archive Team!
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-umich-save
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow ----------------
14:11 πŸ”— ersi Win
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow ersi: Yeah, looking into it, of course, but this is an indication of something deeper anyway
14:12 πŸ”— ersi Yeah, but it's not all too uncommon for /tmp to fill up on a shared hosting providers machines
14:12 πŸ”— ersi Anyhow, just a tip :)
14:13 πŸ”— dnova s/a/the/
14:14 πŸ”— ersi Anyhow, just the tip :)
14:14 πŸ”— balrog_ "As student webpages are among the most important indicators of the early works of researchers and academics" Ҁ” hmm I wonder what we have on all those backup tapes
14:14 πŸ”— SketchCow I have to have them set it up.
14:14 πŸ”— balrog_ :p[
14:14 πŸ”— balrog_ :p *
14:16 πŸ”— ersi Usually it's overridable with .htaccess though, at least non trivial settings like session.save_path - but might be easier to go through the hosting helpdesk
14:16 πŸ”— SketchCow Hi Jason,
14:16 πŸ”— SketchCow We have freed up space in /tmp to solve the issue short term. We are investigating to prevent it from recurring.
14:16 πŸ”— SketchCow Thank You,
14:16 πŸ”— SketchCow Logan B
14:16 πŸ”— SketchCow Or I could just have them do the work
14:16 πŸ”— SketchCow TQ Hosting Support
14:17 πŸ”— ersi Good stuff
14:18 πŸ”— SketchCow Good fire drill, though.
14:18 πŸ”— SketchCow I understand it more.
14:53 πŸ”— SketchCow So, it looks like there's no command for WGET or CURL to say "Act as if you're GOING to download the file, tell me how big it WOULD have been, but don't actually do it."
14:53 πŸ”— SketchCow Like --dry-run for rsync.
14:58 πŸ”— closure_ curl -s -I $url |grep Content-Length
15:02 πŸ”— SketchCow It also needed -L
15:02 πŸ”— SketchCow HOW COULD YOU HAVE NOT ANTICIPATED THIS REQUEST WOULD RESULT IN A 302 RESPONSE AND REQUIRE LOCATION ADHERENCE
15:02 πŸ”— SketchCow fired
15:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Thanks, I'm writing scripts for the future to go 'so, did the motherfucker ACTUALLY UPLOAD'
15:03 πŸ”— SketchCow So we won't lose data again
15:04 πŸ”— SketchCow for each in a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z; do echo "$each ----------"; curl -s -L -I http://archive.org/download/archiveteam-umich-save-${each}/www-personal-umich-edu-${each}.zip | grep Content-Length; read BOB; done
15:05 πŸ”— SketchCow Hooray, 436gb back
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Output was this:
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Content-Length: 167577142
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Content-Length: 25060366461
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow t ----------
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow u ----------
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow v ----------
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Content-Length: 3052847884
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow w ----------
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Content-Length: 5419522734
15:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Etc.
15:09 πŸ”— ersi Error: success!
15:18 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes.
15:19 πŸ”— SketchCow Also, in other archiving news, I'm rendering out GET LAMP interviews, the cooked ones that are all the answers/clips I thought should possibly be in the film.
15:19 πŸ”— SketchCow It used to take 24 hours to render an average interview (due to video noise reduction) - now it takes the new machine 50 minutes.
15:19 πŸ”— SketchCow That's significant. I should be able to have all of them done this week.
15:26 πŸ”— ersi That's not significant
15:26 πŸ”— ersi That's freckin' awesome
15:26 πŸ”— devesine so now sudden 23.5-hour naps actually have a significant negative impact on your rendering performance
15:26 πŸ”— devesine sockington may have to find a new job
16:20 πŸ”— Coderjoe <godane> doctor who magazine
16:20 πŸ”— Coderjoe godane: fyi: still published, though I don't know about the availability of backissues
16:25 πŸ”— Coderjoe or at least, there is a magazine currently published under that title.
16:27 πŸ”— godane some of the magazines are like 200mb
16:27 πŸ”— Schbirid ffs, ripping CDs is noisy
16:27 πŸ”— Schbirid damn you, SketchCow
16:28 πŸ”— Schbirid cant find an option to throttle isobuster
16:29 πŸ”— Coderjoe this particular catalog lists issue #446 of Doctor Who Magazine
16:30 πŸ”— godane i found one torrent with all them i think
16:30 πŸ”— godane its up to the 430s at least
16:31 πŸ”— Coderjoe and the march catalog lists #447 and 448
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, the problem is it's still publiushed.
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Published.
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow I'll take it, but it won't go public.
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow But I'll take it.
16:35 πŸ”— godane http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2879387/56075481/
16:36 πŸ”— godane came out only 2 weeks ago
16:38 πŸ”— godane thats not the one i'm downloading
16:41 πŸ”— godane this one i'm downloading: http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2560367
16:41 πŸ”— godane hope its helpful
16:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, download it and send me a copy.
18:31 πŸ”— zgrant OK, I know I'm very late, but here goes
18:31 πŸ”— zgrant BANGARANG! I WISH TO RESCUE THE CITY OF FORTUNE
18:31 πŸ”— zgrant I'm guessing the rescuing has been done, but I thought I'd try.
18:32 πŸ”— SketchCow http://focity.heroku.com/
18:32 πŸ”— SketchCow Wrong! More have been found!
18:32 πŸ”— SketchCow Come to #fortuneshitty and read the wiki entry
18:32 πŸ”— SketchCow And welcome!
18:32 πŸ”— zgrant OK, will do.
18:32 πŸ”— zgrant Thanks!
18:32 πŸ”— alard SketchCow: They're not really new, but we're doing a second run of the ones we may have missed.
18:33 πŸ”— alard Fortunecity randomly returns 404 for some users.
18:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Right
18:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, I mean we have new to-dos
18:33 πŸ”— alard Yes. And it anyone has a list with new users they're more than welcome too.
18:37 πŸ”— ersi Ahaha, awesome. I'm still on the top 10 list at focity
18:38 πŸ”— zgrant OK, I read the wiki entry and I think I understand what I need to do.
18:39 πŸ”— zgrant I'm a newbie at IRC and digital preservation on this scale, so I'm sure I'll make some mistakes along the way.
18:39 πŸ”— zgrant I have one question regarding external storage.
18:40 πŸ”— zgrant What minimum harddrive size do you all recommend? As someone new to this, would 1TB be fine?
18:41 πŸ”— alard zgrant: The seesaw script will upload after downloading, so it's quite small.
18:43 πŸ”— zgrant alard: so there's no storage on my end, I would just act as a way to save and then upload somewhere else. I
18:43 πŸ”— SketchCow There's a minimum amount.
18:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Assume less than 200mb
18:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Probably MUCH less than that.
18:43 πŸ”— SketchCow It's a single user's site.
18:44 πŸ”— ersi I've seen user take 500-800MB in extreme cases
18:44 πŸ”— zgrant OK
18:44 πŸ”— ersi so it'll download a user, then upload it to a storage place
18:45 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
18:45 πŸ”— zgrant ersi & SketchCow: Thank. I understand now.
20:42 πŸ”— CO_SELINK wanna see my boobs? CHAN= R e m y SERV= SwiftIRC
20:49 πŸ”— SketchCow Jesus, why do we gotta go anywhere?
20:49 πŸ”— * SketchCow whips out his boobs
20:50 πŸ”— zgrant Was that a bit of IRC spam?
20:51 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes indeed it was
20:52 πŸ”— zgrant Wow, my first IRC spam.
20:53 πŸ”— nitro2k01 b00bs!
20:53 πŸ”— nitro2k01 I wanna see his b00bs!
20:53 πŸ”— nitro2k01 I love bot b00bs
20:53 πŸ”— nitro2k01 It happens to be my fetish
20:53 πŸ”— dnova CO_SELINK damn that's a hot name
20:57 πŸ”— SketchCow yeah, seriously
21:05 πŸ”— underscor lol
21:05 πŸ”— nitro2k01 I wanna get CO_SEY with her LINK
21:05 πŸ”— nitro2k01 If you know what I mean
21:05 πŸ”— underscor hot
21:06 πŸ”— underscor ;) ;) ;)
21:09 πŸ”— no2pencil Everyone knows FreeBSD girls are hotter
21:15 πŸ”— nitro2k01 That's true!
21:16 πŸ”— nitro2k01 They also often have the good habit of wearing red latex
21:17 πŸ”— underscor ...
21:17 πŸ”— underscor you guys are such nerds
21:17 πŸ”— underscor :D
21:25 πŸ”— SketchCow Connection speed seems better between fortress and s3
21:25 πŸ”— SketchCow And stuff is popping up faster
21:26 πŸ”— underscor that's good
21:27 πŸ”— Nemo_bis 80 MB/s O_o
21:34 πŸ”— SketchCow I've got some exciting news on the ThinkUp front. Our team is rebooting the project's non-profit funding organization Expert Labs into a commercial entity. Anil and I are co-founding the new ThinkUp company, and Andy and Clay will advise us.
21:36 πŸ”— SketchCow Is it exciting news that a non-profit dedicated to bettering the world through code, and the recipient of a MacArthur grant to be so, is converting into a for-profit corporation?
21:37 πŸ”— DFJustin if you're getting the profit, sure!
21:45 πŸ”— SketchCow Maybe we need to take over ThinkUP
21:45 πŸ”— SketchCow Rename it DrinkUp
21:45 πŸ”— SketchCow Keep it free.
21:45 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyone want to do this?
21:45 πŸ”— SketchCow I don't want to aim resources at it if it's not worth the issue.
21:46 πŸ”— SketchCow http://thinkupapp.com/ if anyone wants to see it
21:46 πŸ”— SketchCow I can't attest to Gina's coding abilities beyond being able to code.
21:46 πŸ”— SketchCow It might be horrible deep down there and made with some level of coding retardation.
21:47 πŸ”— SketchCow But I was hoping, even with my personal battles against Anil Dash and Andy Baio, to endorse that product, since it was aimed at the right place.
21:47 πŸ”— SketchCow But Anil also was involved with the Movable Type blogger software as it exploded into horseshit.
21:48 πŸ”— SketchCow And thought it was great, until he left the company
21:50 πŸ”— SketchCow https://twitter.com/#!/textfiles/status/184396728018022400
21:50 πŸ”— SketchCow see, that's how you make friends in twitter
21:51 πŸ”— nitro2k01 "I see you've got som friends in for-profit companies. It would be a shame if shit was talked about them..."
21:51 πŸ”— nitro2k01 I don't know actually know. I just said that out of context.
22:01 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: Well, in brighter news, 5 volunteers coming your way
22:03 πŸ”— SketchCow !
22:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Wow, we could fucking DEMOLISH bitsavers
22:04 πŸ”— shaqfu Hah, probably
22:13 πŸ”— SketchCow let's do that.
22:13 πŸ”— shaqfu Sounds good
22:13 πŸ”— shaqfu Any of them contact you yet?
22:14 πŸ”— SketchCow No
22:14 πŸ”— SketchCow but that's cool
22:14 πŸ”— shaqfu I just emailed them all today telling them to contact you
22:15 πŸ”— brayden oh damn.. why hadn't I followed Jason Scott yet!
22:15 πŸ”— * brayden follows
22:17 πŸ”— brayden Ah good.. that ThinkUp was sarcasm. Attempting to compute the message on IRC caused a meltdown.
23:16 πŸ”— underscor holy fuck I'm mad I missed that kickstarter
23:16 πŸ”— underscor (the point and click one)
23:39 πŸ”— BlueMaxim One day I will say something funny enough to make the topic.
23:43 πŸ”— tef_ mysterious city of fortune
23:45 πŸ”— BlueMax Where old files run free
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