#archiveteam 2012-04-16,Mon

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00:01 πŸ”— SketchCow Nemo_bis: You need to tell me
00:01 πŸ”— SketchCow I can do it
00:01 πŸ”— SketchCow Easily.
00:01 πŸ”— Nemo_bis SketchCow, give me permission you mean?
00:01 πŸ”— SketchCow Insectoid. Sorry for the thing.
00:01 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Or move hundreds items?
00:01 πŸ”— SketchCow I was off seeing a movie, etic.
00:01 πŸ”— SketchCow I saw Cabin in the Woods OH MAN CABIN IN THE WOODS SO GOOD ANYONE WITH SPOILERS GETS KICKED
00:02 πŸ”— * Nemo_bis saw Titanic
00:02 πŸ”— chronomex SHIP SINKS
00:02 πŸ”— Nemo_bis nooooooo
00:02 πŸ”— chronomex DUMBLEDORE MOLESTS POTTER
00:02 πŸ”— SketchCow CAMERON GETS RICH
00:02 πŸ”— SketchCow OK anyway so
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Simple offer, Insectoid - first, let me have a copy of the data. We can hold it
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Then we can find ways to undark obvious things
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Or, and I am fine with this, it's held for x amount of time.
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow I'd prefer to curate and undark, of course.
00:03 πŸ”— SketchCow But please don't delete.
00:04 πŸ”— chronomex ideally also point to archive.org items with 301 redirects
00:04 πŸ”— chronomex but that's step 6
00:07 πŸ”— SketchCow Dragan of the geocities torrent curation wants me to come to europe to talk with him at a museum
00:09 πŸ”— dashcloud that's awesome
00:09 πŸ”— shaqfu EU loves itself its data curation
00:26 πŸ”— SketchCow http://i.imgur.com/9M0lk.jpg
00:26 πŸ”— SketchCow That's the library/museum
00:26 πŸ”— SketchCow SweeeeeeeeeEEEEeeeEEEEt
00:27 πŸ”— shaqfu Woah, which is that?
00:27 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Woah, that's badass
00:28 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Lot of free shelf space on those lower levels.
00:29 πŸ”— shaqfu Wyatt|Wor: Given the obscene waste of floor space by cutting out the center of the building, I think they're going more for aesthetics than function :)
00:31 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor At least in the part shown.
00:31 πŸ”— shaqfu Looks like a huge gap between corners
00:31 πŸ”— shaqfu Either way, fuck is it sexy
00:32 πŸ”— mistym SketchCow: Wow. That is *gorgeous*
00:32 πŸ”— mistym Kind of reminds me of Seattle Public Library's amazing corkscrew stacks
00:33 πŸ”— DFJustin holy piss
00:33 πŸ”— * DFJustin saves to "library porn" folder
00:36 πŸ”— mistym BTW, SketchCow: I've got most of digiplay.info now (need to clean up my data scraping) - what's the best way to upload it to archive.org? eg, anything special to mark it as an archiveteam project (if it counts?)
00:37 πŸ”— chronomex mistym: corkscrew stacks are good, would be better if there were escalator out as well as in :P
00:39 πŸ”— shaqfu You museum folk are making me jealous; I spent two years in a bomb shelter :(
00:39 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor DFJustin: Here, another one for you http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/OSU_Thompson_Library_-_west_atrium_and_book_stacks.jpg ;)
00:39 πŸ”— mistym chronomex: http://theamericanscholar.org/uploads/2011/09/Seattle_Public_Library_4th_floor_2A-e1317923814889.jpg
00:39 πŸ”— DFJustin I had this as my dual-monitor wallpaper at work for a while http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/British_Museum_Reading_Room_Panorama_Feb_2006.jpg
00:40 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Nice!
00:40 πŸ”— chronomex mistym: that's the "inside a cyclopean colon" floor
00:40 πŸ”— chronomex mistym: I live in Seattle, btw
00:41 πŸ”— shaqfu Natural sunlight :(
00:41 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor shaqfu: We can't make our own suns yet. We're working on it!
00:42 πŸ”— shaqfu Wyatt|Wor: Those books in the OSU pic would prefer none at all :)
00:43 πŸ”— DFJustin wtf is that tagbanwa script at the bottom
00:44 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor shaqfu: I was rather curious about that. I think I heard the glass was UV polarised or something, but I couldn't tell from the inside. :/
00:44 πŸ”— mistym chronomex: Oh, cool! I've only been there once, but you can tell I was p. impressed by the library.
00:44 πŸ”— chronomex mistym: indeed. where are you homed?
00:45 πŸ”— mistym code4lib conference was there in February. I guess I kind of associate the awesome time with the city + library too :V
00:45 πŸ”— mistym chronomex: Winnipeg.
00:45 πŸ”— chronomex heh k
00:45 πŸ”— shaqfu Wyatt|Wor: I'd imagine it was; there's no way the librarians would let them build stacks like that
00:45 πŸ”— mistym aka frozen tundra, etc
00:46 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor shaqfu: For 108 megadollars, I should damn well hope so. ~_~
00:50 πŸ”— chronomex mistym: ah, yes, "winnipeg is a frozen shithole" etc
00:54 πŸ”— mistym chronomex: Exactly
00:55 πŸ”— shaqfu At least you got hockey back!
00:55 πŸ”— mistym Yes, it's true!
00:57 πŸ”— mistym My favourite depiction of Winnipeg is Guy Maddin's movie My Winnipeg, though. Truest pack of lies I've ever seen
00:58 πŸ”— chronomex I've never been to Winnipeg
01:53 πŸ”— SketchCow mistym: Collect up, I'll be able to talk more later
02:06 πŸ”— mistym SketchCow: OK.
07:44 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://archive.org/post/417779/cbs-evening-news-airs-news-piece-about-brewster-and-the-archive
07:48 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: looks like dl.tv and crankygeeks videos are not link now
07:48 πŸ”— godane i got all of crankgeeks but only the first 30 of dl.tv
07:49 πŸ”— godane episode 30 not even 2 weeks ago
07:49 πŸ”— godane its a dead link
07:51 πŸ”— godane shit
07:51 πŸ”— godane all media links to episode 92 are down
07:51 πŸ”— godane this is DEFCON 1 guys
07:52 πŸ”— godane we have to save this
07:53 πŸ”— aggro dl.tv -> Holy fucknuts that's a lot of scripts.
07:53 πŸ”— godane i know
07:54 πŸ”— godane looks like i was not fast enough
07:55 πŸ”— godane episode 249 is down too
07:55 πŸ”— godane this is really bad
08:02 πŸ”— godane i'm getting some 260ish episodes of dl.tv
08:07 πŸ”— godane looks like everything with old video names are the ones have problems
08:22 πŸ”— Coderjoe hahaha
08:22 πŸ”— Coderjoe an oldie: http://archive.org/details/stage6-3156
08:24 πŸ”— dnova archiveteam reacts to a shutdown notice
08:24 πŸ”— chronomex javascript is weird.
08:27 πŸ”— Coderjoe mmm
08:27 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://archive.org/details/stage6-2165705
08:34 πŸ”— Coderjoe go remix culture!
08:34 πŸ”— godane i may get some full episodes of dl.tv from google videos
08:48 πŸ”— godane i'm getting dl.tv episode 258
08:48 πŸ”— godane more episodes have the new files name and hosted there
08:58 πŸ”— SketchCow Morning.
09:02 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Up early. When's your flight?
09:05 πŸ”— SketchCow Official time is 7am, the boarding is 6:20am.
09:05 πŸ”— SketchCow Delta are extraordinarily asshole about times.
09:05 πŸ”— SketchCow They want bags checked in 75 minutes before flight, they want they want.
09:06 πŸ”— SketchCow I am only with them because they were the most not-insane times for the lowest cost.
09:06 πŸ”— SketchCow But I do hate Delta - it says something I am doing this like this.
09:07 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor No doubt; this is pretty exciting.
09:09 πŸ”— SketchCow It is a somewhat insane expense in a life where I don't have much room for it.
09:10 πŸ”— SketchCow But the attention and resultant connection to my various causes is why I am doing it.
09:10 πŸ”— winr4r morning
09:10 πŸ”— SketchCow P.S. 800 radical zines. http://archive.org/details/solidarityrevolutionarycenter
09:10 πŸ”— SketchCow I wish she had scanned some better, but that's life.
09:11 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor SketchCow: Do you at least get an interview with Jordan out of it? (And whomever might also be in the area)
09:11 πŸ”— winr4r awesome
09:12 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh yeah, here or there, I get Jordan.
09:12 πŸ”— SketchCow I brought a subset of interview equipment.
09:12 πŸ”— SketchCow Not sure if I can get a great interview setup with it, I've got only the barest of essentials.
09:14 πŸ”— godane i have some good news
09:14 πŸ”— godane all dl.tv shows maybe on mevio.com
09:15 πŸ”— dnova is there a version of that german kid flipping out that is subtitled in english or has no subtitles?
09:23 πŸ”— SketchCow To think... I almost went to Wendy's!!
09:23 πŸ”— SketchCow I look around the corner... gourmet organic to-go shop.
09:24 πŸ”— SketchCow Also, a Todd English restaurant but they don't seem open yet.
09:32 πŸ”— jaybird11 test
09:35 πŸ”— jaybird11 test
09:35 πŸ”— jaybird11 .
09:35 πŸ”— SketchCow Hey, it's the most awesomest blind dude in Archive Team
09:36 πŸ”— jaybird11 Yeah
09:37 πŸ”— SketchCow Insectoid: When you are available again, I'd like to know if you'll take my offer to store.
09:37 πŸ”— jaybird11 So how do I send private messages anyway? Trying out Irssi
09:37 πŸ”— SketchCow You use the /msg command.
09:38 πŸ”— jaybird11 Yeah, figured that. So it it /msg @sketchcow bla bla bla or whatever/
09:38 πŸ”— jaybird11 For some reason / commands aren't working, no idea why
09:39 πŸ”— jaybird11 I'd love to find a good Windows IRC client that works with my screen reader. I'll have to ask around
09:39 πŸ”— winr4r jaybird11: without the @ :)
09:40 πŸ”— SketchCow No @sketchcow just sketchcow
09:40 πŸ”— jaybird11 Ah yeah I figured that, but since I'm also familiar with Twitter I figured the @ might be part of his username
09:41 πŸ”— godane my ocd is going
09:41 πŸ”— godane got to get all dl.tv now
09:41 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor jaybird11: In IRC, the @ means channel OP
09:41 πŸ”— jaybird11 Ah got it
09:41 πŸ”— SketchCow jaybird11: You could try http://nightowlproject.freehostia.com/
09:47 πŸ”— godane i'm going to start putting up crankygeeks
09:48 πŸ”— godane since i maybe one of the few that has all episodes now
09:55 πŸ”— jaybird11 ,/quit
09:56 πŸ”— Jaybird1 Okay, this is weird. I was using my Linode to connect just then. It seems maybe my ISP has blocked access to efnet? I can get on other IRC servers but not efnet, from my local machine
09:57 πŸ”— SketchCow This airport is now bustling.
09:57 πŸ”— SketchCow 6am.
09:57 πŸ”— Jaybird1 Oh SketchCow, I'd like to wish you the best of luck with your source code retrieval efforts.
09:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Here's hoping!
10:13 πŸ”— Jaybird11 Okay I'm on using NightOwl
10:14 πŸ”— Jaybird1 Test please ignore
10:17 πŸ”— Jaybird11 test
10:20 πŸ”— godane pilot episode of crankygeeks uploaded: http://archive.org/details/crankygeeks_pilot_episode
10:39 πŸ”— godane episode 001: http://archive.org/details/crankygeeks_001_episode
14:57 πŸ”— mistym Who's working on the Flickr project?
15:17 πŸ”— DFJustin WHY http://www.atarimuseum.com/robots.txt
15:18 πŸ”— Wyatt Clearly they're trying to provoke us.
15:19 πŸ”— mistym DFJustin: the saddest face :(
15:23 πŸ”— balrog_ mistym: what now? :/
15:24 πŸ”— dnova balrog_: 04/16/12 11:17:52 < DFJustin> WHY http://www.atarimuseum.com/robots.txt
15:24 πŸ”— mistym balrog_: <DFJustin> WHY http://www.atarimuseum.com/robots.txt
15:24 πŸ”— dnova daamnnnnn
15:24 πŸ”— mistym dnova: You win
15:24 πŸ”— balrog_ that is stupid
15:24 πŸ”— balrog_ not as stupid as blocking * though
15:25 πŸ”— DFJustin more perverse, though
15:25 πŸ”— balrog_ http://www.a1k.org/robots.txt
15:25 πŸ”— balrog_ it is more perverse, yes :[
15:26 πŸ”— balrog_ why would they do that, does ia_archiver really take much bandwidth?
15:26 πŸ”— dnova I doubt it's the bandwidth they are worried about
15:26 πŸ”— mistym balrog_: I remember seeing people block *, then wonder WHY DOES NO ONE FIND OUT SITE :(
15:27 πŸ”— balrog_ LOL yeah
15:27 πŸ”— balrog_ I didn't know of that site either...
16:34 πŸ”— yipdw well, there is this
16:34 πŸ”— yipdw https://www.google.com/search?q=robots.txt+User-agent+ia_archiver+disallow
16:34 πŸ”— yipdw http://perishablepress.com/wordpress-robots-rules/
16:34 πŸ”— yipdw this is also weird, too
16:35 πŸ”— yipdw like so much else on the Web, it looks like people just cargo cult the Disallow: ia_archiver bit
16:35 πŸ”— yipdw I know that a lot of those are WordPress sites, and so cargo culting is to be expected
16:35 πŸ”— yipdw but I would not be surprised if it bleeds over
16:36 πŸ”— yipdw tl;dr: fuck em
16:37 πŸ”— mistym yipdw: s/WordPress/PHP/
16:38 πŸ”— yipdw I guess
16:38 πŸ”— DFJustin lol "perishable press", apt
16:38 πŸ”— yipdw I just saw a lot of WordPress
16:38 πŸ”— yipdw also
16:39 πŸ”— yipdw http://perldesignpatterns.com/robots.txt <-- this guy has anger issues
16:39 πŸ”— mistym Whoa. That is a long comment.
16:39 πŸ”— yipdw that said, that is perl, so I guess anger issues are to be expected
16:40 πŸ”— yipdw how many other unfair stereotypes can I propagate today
16:40 πŸ”— Wyatt ahahah, Slurp is a "pisswater search engine that no one uses"
16:42 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Isn't it true though. NO ONE is using Yahoo
16:42 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Except for Archive Team
16:43 πŸ”— nitro2k01 if you get my drift
16:43 πŸ”— ersi zing
16:43 πŸ”— nitro2k01 # Slurp makes more passes through the site than all the other search engines
16:43 πŸ”— nitro2k01 # put together.
16:44 πŸ”— nitro2k01 And
16:44 πŸ”— nitro2k01 # You know what? People create these faster than I can shitlist them, so
16:44 πŸ”— nitro2k01 # you dinks have ruined it for everyone. Unless you're Google, go away.
16:44 πŸ”— nitro2k01 "shitlist"... was expecting that this domain would be owned by Kimmo Alm after seeing that
16:44 πŸ”— yipdw heh
16:44 πŸ”— yipdw http://www.webmasterworld.com/robots_txt/3245173.htm
16:44 πŸ”— yipdw I like how that file just GROWS
16:44 πŸ”— Wyatt Is there a random sample of Geocities that's smaller than 700G and easily accessible? Like say 5,000-10,000 accounts?
16:45 πŸ”— Wyatt In English, preferably.
17:13 πŸ”— Wyatt Or about 10G; whichever
17:16 πŸ”— LordNlptp Wyatt: i have maybe 20-50 accounts here somewhere
17:16 πŸ”— Wyatt Well, it's a start.... :<
17:17 πŸ”— balrog_ some robots.txt files make sense, to block internal URLs and stuff
17:18 πŸ”— kronoch hell, robots.txt tells you right where to look
17:18 πŸ”— yipdw balrog_: that's why we have HTTP 403
17:19 πŸ”— yipdw it doesn't make sense to use a robots file to block that if it's truly internal
17:20 πŸ”— yipdw I can see an argument for expensive operations triggered by GETs, but that is only a shitty band-aid at best
17:20 πŸ”— balrog_ yipdw: no, I mean stuff like edit pages for CMSes and all
17:20 πŸ”— balrog_ to cut down on unnecessary GETs
17:21 πŸ”— yipdw oh
17:21 πŸ”— yipdw ok
17:21 πŸ”— yipdw yeah, I agree that's ok
19:20 πŸ”— oli any of the coders able to take a look at this problem, like alard
19:20 πŸ”— oli http://pastie.org/private/deb5yju7ld0botqw4hm6ma
19:20 πŸ”— oli a lot of my threads are stopping there
19:20 πŸ”— oli then i have to stop and start it again
19:20 πŸ”— oli and from what i can see it is wasting a lot of time like this because a whole batcch from the previous download set is lost
19:22 πŸ”— Coderjoe lachlan cranswick's site has a sensible robots.txt file: it only blocks the reports section of the site, which is a bottomless pit of generated-on-demand site usage reports, with links out to files (sometimes incorrect links, causing spider hell)
19:23 πŸ”— Coderjoe oli: after that 100 continue, it is uploading the actual data.
19:24 πŸ”— Coderjoe you should check with alard about updates, though. I don't think you're supposed to be going through batcave anymore.
19:25 πŸ”— oli im using the latest script alart send me a link to
19:25 πŸ”— oli and ok, didnt realise it was acutally uploading
19:25 πŸ”— oli just sat there forever :|
19:25 πŸ”— oli guess i should run nload before killing stuff :p
19:30 πŸ”— Coderjoe i know curl won't output a progress meter unless either --output is specified or stdout is redirected
19:30 πŸ”— oli ok
19:45 πŸ”— Wyatt Would it be feasible to make batcave a CNAME for fos?
19:46 πŸ”— ersi Why?
19:46 πŸ”— chronomex edit your /etc/hosts file if you need to
19:47 πŸ”— Wyatt Suppose that's a solution. I'll get to it in four days then.
19:55 πŸ”— Coderjoe Wyatt: different port number from the s3 enpoint machines, and i don't think fos is running the proxy currently
19:55 πŸ”— alard Hi. batcave is still the way to go for the mobileme seesaw-s3 uploads.
19:55 πŸ”— Wyatt Oh. Well damn, never mind then.
19:56 πŸ”— Wyatt Oh, okay
19:56 πŸ”— alard And the scripts get the upload target from the tracker, so it's very easy to switch over.
19:57 πŸ”— Wyatt Wow, I like this universal tracker more and more.
19:57 πŸ”— Coderjoe ok. iirc, SketchCow was mentioning needing to stop going through batcave before too much longer
19:57 πŸ”— Wyatt Yeah, he's been trying to get off of it for weeks now.
19:57 πŸ”— chronomex 's good shit
19:58 πŸ”— Wyatt So yeah, don't suppose any of you have a random ~10-15G sample of Geocities that could be acquired easily?
19:59 πŸ”— Coderjoe i currently have no geocities
20:00 πŸ”— alard Wyatt: Can't you just download a tar.gz and stop it halfway?
20:01 πŸ”— alard It won't be random in a statistical sense, but it will be 10-15G.
20:02 πŸ”— chronomex ^
20:02 πŸ”— Wyatt alard: Yeah, that's exactly the issue.
20:02 πŸ”— chronomex so download em all and sample yourself? :P
20:02 πŸ”— Wyatt That's gonna take like a month.
20:02 πŸ”— Wyatt At best.
20:03 πŸ”— ersi Move your ass over to someone with nice bandwidth
20:03 πŸ”— ersi Like a.. university, or something
20:03 πŸ”— Wyatt No portable computing.
20:03 πŸ”— Wyatt I'd do it at work, but that machine is currently tied up with mobileme
20:04 πŸ”— ersi Bring a drive of some sort :P
20:04 πŸ”— alard Wyatt: Heroku?
20:04 πŸ”— Wyatt I get it, you guys don't have any. Thanks anyway.
20:04 πŸ”— oli how much geocities data is there?
20:04 πŸ”— oli that was rescued
20:04 πŸ”— Wyatt alard: Heroku?
20:04 πŸ”— chronomex around a terabyte
20:04 πŸ”— ersi Wyatt: I'll check with my buddy if he has any left on his drives
20:05 πŸ”— alard Wyatt: An ec2 machine, free bandwidth.
20:05 πŸ”— Coderjoe i really need to get those random-access gz/bz2 and tar tools I've been meaning to write written.
20:05 πŸ”— Wyatt alard: Ah. Hmm, might be doable.
20:05 πŸ”— DFJustin there is e.g. this but its randomness is not guaranteed http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-latecomer
20:05 πŸ”— oli i have a box on 100mbit only i can do something with if you need help with geocities stuff
20:06 πŸ”— shaqfu "only" 100mbit
20:06 πŸ”— oli yes well when we are talking about the volume of shit moving around here its not fast :(
20:06 πŸ”— Wyatt Oh! I might have a lead, actually.
20:08 πŸ”— alard oli: So your mobileme curls are hanging before the upload?
20:10 πŸ”— Wyatt Awesome, I've got a friend who was at Defcon and he got it stashed away.
20:10 πŸ”— Wyatt Problem solved.
20:10 πŸ”— ersi Neat!
20:14 πŸ”— oli alard: they just sit at that point i pasted
20:14 πŸ”— oli and i do not think they are uploading anything because i left some for ages and no progress, and not using much bandwidth
20:17 πŸ”— alard Strange. Looking at the tracker, there are also lots of instances that stopped a bit earlier. http://memac-tamer.heroku.com/ The blue ones didn't even start uploading.
20:18 πŸ”— chronomex I downloaded some shitpile of memac before there was an upload strategy
20:19 πŸ”— Wyatt alard: I've noticed that My uploads have been going through a full 100 failures before trying again with a new process and succeeding the first time.
20:19 πŸ”— Wyatt Sometimes.
20:23 πŸ”— alard What would be a good way to solve this? 1. Setting the number of retries to one or two would help (the script retries too).
20:24 πŸ”— oli blopody hell
20:24 πŸ”— alard 2. curl should time out. Why doesn't it? I can't find a timeout option in the man page, except for the connect-timeout that only works at the start.
20:24 πŸ”— oli so thats a lot of mine that are wasted really from what i understand :/
20:24 πŸ”— alard Well, not really wasted. You can restart them if you're careful.
20:24 πŸ”— oli i dont understand that tracker page
20:24 πŸ”— Wyatt Doh, I actually meant to drop it to twenty or so retries, but forgot.
20:26 πŸ”— alard Okay, I've updated the script to have 2 retries.
20:27 πŸ”— alard For the text upload I've also set the max-time to 60 seconds. I'm not sure what I should do with the tar upload: how long can that take?
20:27 πŸ”— Wyatt Do any of the mobileme files have non-ASCII characters in the URLs?
20:27 πŸ”— alard Probably.
20:29 πŸ”— alard oli: If you have a failed client, you can restart it as follows: 1. make sure it's stopped. 2. remove the to-upload.tar, if it exists, but keep to-upload.txt; 3. run ./seesaw-s3-repeat.sh again in that directory.
20:29 πŸ”— Wyatt Oh, is THAT how you do that?
20:29 πŸ”— oli lol already fucked it up a few times mate, i think ive lost what was done because i didnt do what you just said
20:29 πŸ”— oli but ive noted it and will do that next time they die
20:30 πŸ”— alard You could also try to just kill the curl, I think the script will start a new one.
20:35 πŸ”— alard Anyway, I'm not sure what to do about the hangs-while-uploading problem. max-time is the only way to set a timeout in curl, but genuine uploads can take many hours, too.
20:37 πŸ”— gui77 hey guys i've got approx 30gB of data from mobime that i downloaded a while ago but didn't upload... before the all-in-one seesaw script was in place. do i need to arrange for a rsync slot?
20:38 πŸ”— alard gui77: No. There's an upload script you can use. Update the code you have (git clone pull) to get the latest version. Then run ./upload-finished.sh
20:38 πŸ”— alard Sorry, that should be git pull :)
20:39 πŸ”— gui77 what's the command for a git pull? :/
20:39 πŸ”— alard You've used git clone before to download the scripts?
20:40 πŸ”— alard cd to the directory that holds the scripts (and which has a data/ subdirectory with the files). Then just run git pull
20:40 πŸ”— alard It will get the latest code from GitHub.
20:40 πŸ”— gui77 i did... but have forgotten. can't find where i found it in the wiki either. thanks mate
20:41 πŸ”— alard Run ./upload-finished.sh gui77 to upload. You can kill the script at any time and restart it later.
20:43 πŸ”— gui77 got it, thanks mate. it's doing the git pull now :D
20:43 πŸ”— alard Well, thanks for uploading!
20:47 πŸ”— gui77 alard: yaay it's working - and thank you! no need for more than one instance, right?
20:47 πŸ”— alard gui77: No, that won't work.
21:27 πŸ”— Coderjoe curl lets you set a minimum speed and a time for that minimum speed. perhaps you can use that to detect a stop?
21:29 πŸ”— Coderjoe alard: ^
21:30 πŸ”— Coderjoe (see --speed-limit and --speed-time)
21:31 πŸ”— SketchCow GREETINGS FROM JORDAN MECHNER'S HOUSE
21:31 πŸ”— chronomex HELLO
21:31 πŸ”— LordNlptp hi sketchow
21:31 πŸ”— dnova hello sketchcow and jordan
21:31 πŸ”— Coderjoe HI
21:31 πŸ”— mistym !!
21:31 πŸ”— Wyatt Heey, how's was your flight?
21:32 πŸ”— ersi Pfft, fuck this Mac and it's inane bullshit
21:32 πŸ”— ersi Argh
21:32 πŸ”— balrog_ph Wow netsplit almost killed me there!
21:39 πŸ”— Coderjoe just watched the cbs news segment featuring Brewster Kahle and the physical archives. one shot saddend me a bit: the worker scanning a book's barcode and then carelessly tossing it into a nearby gaylord
21:43 πŸ”— shaqfu Coderjoe: Making cases for that many books would be a staggering task
21:48 πŸ”— shaqfu I suppose they could shrinkwrap them, but then it's an issue of time
21:49 πŸ”— Coderjoe or stack them in the gaylord a bit more neatly
21:49 πŸ”— shaqfu That too
21:49 πŸ”— shaqfu Oh, you meant *literally* toss
21:49 πŸ”— Coderjoe yes
21:50 πŸ”— shaqfu Ouch
21:50 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7405466n
21:52 πŸ”— shaqfu Ooh, they're scanning bound newspapers also?
21:52 πŸ”— shaqfu Sexy
21:53 πŸ”— winr4r good job, you made me look up "gaylord"
21:53 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaylord_Container_Corporation
21:55 πŸ”— shaqfu That doesn't look like a Gaylord they're chucking books into
21:57 πŸ”— winr4r i've never seen brewster speak before, but he looks like a dude who actually gives a shit
21:58 πŸ”— Coderjoe at 24 seconds, those look like gaylords to me
21:59 πŸ”— shaqfu They might be; I've never seen huge boxes like that used for book storage
21:59 πŸ”— Wyatt What _is_ a gaylord? I take it it's a vessel of some sort?
21:59 πŸ”— Coderjoe perhaps they get reboxed before going into deep storage
21:59 πŸ”— shaqfu Coderjoe: In the shipping containers they're in smaller boxes on pallets
21:59 πŸ”— Coderjoe Wyatt: large shipping pallet boxes.
21:59 πŸ”— shaqfu Wait, fuck; we're using two definitions
21:59 πŸ”— Coderjoe shaqfu: yeah, I noticed
22:00 πŸ”— Coderjoe aka a "bulk box"
22:00 πŸ”— shaqfu http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/bwhe9.dh7dw/v/vspfiles/photos/B-1001-2T.jpg
22:00 πŸ”— shaqfu That's what I was thinking of
22:00 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_box
22:01 πŸ”— shaqfu I associate those as Gaylords since they come from the same company
22:01 πŸ”— Coderjoe the bulk box is also known as a gaylord box because at one time, the largest producer of the box was the Gaylord Container Company from Gaylord, MI
22:01 πŸ”— closure if you want to hear him speak some more, I recommend this talk (1.5 hours) http://longnow.org/seminars/02011/nov/30/universal-access-all-knowledge/
22:02 πŸ”— shaqfu Well, learned something new today: Gaylord makes things other than acid-free paper
22:04 πŸ”— Coderjoe or the first to produce them
22:17 πŸ”— Jaybird11 test
22:17 πŸ”— Coderjoe hi Jaybird11
22:17 πŸ”— Jaybird11 So I'm watching #popsource now, as if anyone here isn't probably.
22:17 πŸ”— bayleef` win
22:17 πŸ”— bayleef` (define popsource
22:17 πŸ”— bayleef` lol
22:18 πŸ”— Coderjoe what network?
22:18 πŸ”— Jaybird11 Twitter hashtag.
22:18 πŸ”— Coderjoe oh
22:18 πŸ”— Jaybird11 Too bad I'm blind, I'd probably love to be seeing those pics
22:19 πŸ”— Wyatt Jaybird11: Isn't it #sourcecode?
22:20 πŸ”— Jaybird11 It was supposed to be. I searched for #sourcecode and found out he changed it to #popsource
22:20 πŸ”— Coderjoe Wyatt: changed by Jordan Mechner because #sourcecode was too popular for something else
22:20 πŸ”— Wyatt Aaah, I see.
22:21 πŸ”— Coderjoe here's the change announcement tweet: https://twitter.com/jmechner/status/191972868479922178
22:22 πŸ”— Coderjoe wow. some korean tweet just popped up
22:48 πŸ”— yipdw I expect a FUCK YES to show up in here pretty soon
22:48 πŸ”— yipdw or something along those lines
22:49 πŸ”— shaqfu Unless the disks are dead :( :(
22:52 πŸ”— yipdw that's true
22:52 πŸ”— yipdw in that case I guess we'll see a "Bad news, gang" or :( or DAMNIT
22:52 πŸ”— mistym Looks like they're still copying: https://twitter.com/#!/jmechner/status/192020918145515520
22:53 πŸ”— yipdw is there a livestream?
22:53 πŸ”— Coderjoe just the twitter feed, afaik
22:54 πŸ”— Coderjoe a live stream would be awesome
22:54 πŸ”— balrog_ things are being worked on :)
22:54 πŸ”— BlueMax am I missing something important?
22:54 πŸ”— BlueMax Knowing me I probably sm
22:54 πŸ”— BlueMax am
22:54 πŸ”— Coderjoe https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23popsource
22:55 πŸ”— BlueMax Ohhhh, the PoS sourcecode
22:55 πŸ”— balrog_ if you're watching @jmechner, @textfiles, and @y816 you're covered
22:55 πŸ”— BlueMax right
22:55 πŸ”— balrog_ PoP*
22:55 πŸ”— BlueMax lol
22:55 πŸ”— BlueMax go me
22:56 πŸ”— Coderjoe doh. missed others because they didn't have the hashtag :(
22:58 πŸ”— yipdw that is probably one of the coolest disk copy utilities I've seen in a while
22:58 πŸ”— BlueMax the only way it could be better is if you could play Metroid while it copies :P
22:58 πŸ”— DFJustin damn looks like they got they right man for the job https://twitpic.com/9afois
23:00 πŸ”— balrog_ oh he is
23:00 πŸ”— balrog_ he's got what's probably the largest collection of interesting Apple stuff anywhere
23:00 πŸ”— balrog_ tons of proto stuff
23:01 πŸ”— DFJustin (for Jaybird11 - picture is of a room festooned with apple posters, floppy drives, opened Apple II chassis, monitors, etc.)
23:06 πŸ”— shaqfu I was wondering if that was a stock system or something fancy
23:06 πŸ”— shaqfu Looks like the answer is "something very fancy" :)
23:06 πŸ”— balrog_ stock system :p
23:07 πŸ”— balrog_ with an ethernet card
23:07 πŸ”— shaqfu Ah, gotcha
23:09 πŸ”— balrog_ btw
23:09 πŸ”— balrog_ today is the 35th anniversary of the Apple II
23:09 πŸ”— balrog_ which makes it more significant :)
23:09 πŸ”— BlueMax Yeah, how much of a coincidence is THAT
23:09 πŸ”— DFJustin auspicious
23:09 πŸ”— shaqfu Hah
23:10 πŸ”— balrog_ I didn't even think of it.
23:10 πŸ”— balrog_ maybe SketchCow did XD
23:12 πŸ”— BlueMax all hail the mighty Cow
23:17 πŸ”— DFJustin ｷﾀҔÒ”Ò”Ò”Ò”Ò”(Γ―ΒΎΒŸΓ’ΒˆΒ€Γ―ΒΎΒŸ)ҔÒ”Ò”Ò”Ò”Ò”!!!!!
23:19 πŸ”— bayleef` DFJustin: So here's a stupid question. I recognize the kana letters, but what're the other things?
23:19 πŸ”— Coderjoe YAY
23:20 πŸ”— Coderjoe https://twitter.com/jmechner/status/192028978549235712/photo/1
23:21 πŸ”— dashcloud victory!
23:21 πŸ”— shaqfu \o/
23:21 πŸ”— mistym Victoly!!
23:21 πŸ”— shaqfu CTRLSUBS.S exists outside the flow of time ;)
23:22 πŸ”— shaqfu Was that the only disk they needed to recover?
23:23 πŸ”— Coderjoe there were several disks, based on the photos SketchCow posted
23:23 πŸ”— BlueMax maybe they were the SFX/GFX dissk
23:23 πŸ”— BlueMax dissk
23:23 πŸ”— BlueMax DISKS
23:23 πŸ”— balrog_ and the copy protection disks
23:24 πŸ”— Coderjoe those photos being http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/sets/72157629727983887/with/6925540534/
23:25 πŸ”— winr4r "POP source code disk: Read and copied with no errors!"
23:25 πŸ”— shaqfu That's what threw me off
23:26 πŸ”— DFJustin bayleef` it's a japanese forum thing, basically it's a happy guy's face with the ー from キターー ("it came!"/"yesss!") going through it
23:27 πŸ”— godane this is why he is called flippy disk sometimes
23:28 πŸ”— Jaybird11 It was supposed to be. I searched for #sourcecode and found out he changed it to #popsource
23:28 πŸ”— Jaybird11 Um never mind that
23:28 πŸ”— SketchCow I will need some help.
23:28 πŸ”— SketchCow We're going to put kareteka and prince of persia source into github
23:28 πŸ”— SketchCow Tonight
23:29 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes indeedy
23:29 πŸ”— winr4r holy shit!
23:29 πŸ”— godane oh my
23:29 πŸ”— Coderjoe wow
23:29 πŸ”— shaqfu Impressive
23:30 πŸ”— Jaybird11 SketchCow, did you choose this date deliberately?
23:30 πŸ”— dashcloud awesome!
23:30 πŸ”— bayleef` DFJustin: ah. Γ£Β‚ΒΓ£ΒΒ‹Γ£Β‚ΒŠΓ£ΒΒΎΓ£ΒΒ—Γ£ΒΒŸΓ£Β€Β‚ The reader I'm using doesn't recognize kanji, so who knows if the conversion would come out right
23:32 πŸ”— SketchCow This can't go anywhere
23:32 πŸ”— SketchCow That we're doing this.
23:32 πŸ”— winr4r so where's the help needed SketchCow?
23:32 πŸ”— SketchCow We're going to do it and then maybe someone mght freak at ubisoft
23:32 πŸ”— SketchCow SO
23:33 πŸ”— shaqfu Wait, I thought JM owned the rights to the original POP?
23:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
23:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh, yes.
23:34 πŸ”— SketchCow But he wants as he puts it the genie out of the bottle and then we're done
23:34 πŸ”— BlueMax So what does the guy need help with
23:35 πŸ”— SketchCow Github, he doesn't use it
23:35 πŸ”— SketchCow How does he make a repo without installing git - can that be done?
23:36 πŸ”— BlueMax He can't just send the code to you and have you handle it? Or would he rather do it himself
23:38 πŸ”— BlueMax I imagine git without using the actual git software is like using Linux without a terminal in general; you just don't do that
23:39 πŸ”— chronomex yes, he needs git
23:39 πŸ”— DFJustin if he's not a *nix guy then install tortoisegit
23:40 πŸ”— balrog_ install msysgit and tortoisegit
23:41 πŸ”— yipdw really, he could just put up a ZIP or whatever
23:42 πŸ”— yipdw it'll make its way into a git repo at some point
23:42 πŸ”— BlueMax yipdw has a point; not like he's going to try and mod his own decades-old code straight away
23:42 πŸ”— yipdw well, git is good for distribution and integrity checking
23:42 πŸ”— yipdw but for the purpose of getting it out there a zip + sha256sum is also fine
23:43 πŸ”— yipdw unless he's got revision history on those disks
23:43 πŸ”— yipdw (I don't know)
23:43 πŸ”— Coderjoe and an otherwise-unused github account would keep ubisoft from being able to claim some other person was illegally distributing the code
23:43 πŸ”— Coderjoe "stolen" code
23:44 πŸ”— BlueMax I dunno why Ubisoft would care unless people started to distribute paid versions off this code
23:44 πŸ”— shaqfu Given the unique circumstances, that'd be a hard claim...
23:44 πŸ”— yipdw because Ubisoft is dicks
23:46 πŸ”— winr4r "here it is now on github" is cooler than "here's a zip file"
23:46 πŸ”— yipdw something else about github (and gitorious/other code hosting services for that matter): they'll respond to DMCA requests very quickly, and at least Sony has learned to watch github
23:46 πŸ”— yipdw so if Ubisoft is actually a concern, and if the point is to take the genie out of the bottle
23:46 πŸ”— yipdw I can't really recommend github
23:47 πŸ”— cmccormic not sure if this made it to your IRC channel yet. Art Knowledge News needs rescuing. They're reporting that the new owners of their site will clean their servers of 7+ years of content
23:47 πŸ”— winr4r cmccormic: link?
23:47 πŸ”— shaqfu http://www.artknowledgenews.com/16_04_2012_01_59_52_sadly_this_is_the_very_last_art_knowledge_news_forever.html
23:48 πŸ”— cmccormic yup
23:48 πŸ”— yipdw I guess it's time to wget -r www.artknowledgenews.com
23:51 πŸ”— yipdw oh wait, they have a sitemap
23:51 πŸ”— yipdw excellent
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