#archiveteam 2015-07-30,Thu

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04:05 πŸ”— yipdw arkiver: in progress
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04:31 πŸ”— yipdw SketchCow: is it appropriate to ask about Archive Team-specific IA-related things in #internetarchive, or should I just write it here?
04:31 πŸ”— * JesseW is also curious about this
04:31 πŸ”— yipdw I'd like to know if one of our upload servers was banned from s3.us.archive.org or is just experiencing upstream issues
04:34 πŸ”— yipdw specifically, archiveteam.kenshin.sg can neither make HTTP requests nor ping to s3.us.archive.org or archive.org; it looks like an upstream router's gone off but I can't tell from the trace alone
04:34 πŸ”— Kenshin hmm?
04:34 πŸ”— Kenshin i'm here, let me know what u need help with
04:34 πŸ”— Kenshin ok i see the problem
04:34 πŸ”— Kenshin give me a bit to work around it
04:35 πŸ”— yipdw oh hey
04:35 πŸ”— yipdw heh I guess I could have messaged you too :P
04:35 πŸ”— Kenshin heh np
04:35 πŸ”— Kenshin let me route around it
04:36 πŸ”— Kenshin there's some outage at the peering platform
04:37 πŸ”— yipdw ah
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04:38 πŸ”— Kenshin i'm deactivating the sessions, should be back up in 10 minutes via a different path
04:39 πŸ”— yipdw it's back up now
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04:39 πŸ”— yipdw that was fast, thanks
04:40 πŸ”— Kenshin np. helps that i have control over the network :P
04:40 πŸ”— yipdw heh yes
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04:46 πŸ”— JesseW Do we want everything archiveteam has uploaded to be directly in the archiveteam collection? (It currently has 39,562 items in it.)
04:46 πŸ”— JesseW (while the "archiveteam" subject tag has only 8,845 items)
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04:53 πŸ”— JesseW (of which 1507 items with that subject tag are NOT in the collection)
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05:21 πŸ”— JesseW https://archive.org/details/wallbase.cc-id-20000-99999 -- ~ 20,000 wallpapers from a (now defunt) wallpaper site
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06:00 πŸ”— DFJustin holy file count
06:01 πŸ”— JesseW DFJustin: yeah, it makes it a bit painful to open...
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07:49 πŸ”— scyther I would like to suggest a new project, preserving java mobile phone games. I know of no site or group having systematic interest in these hidden gems.
07:50 πŸ”— scyther Would anybody be interested?
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10:58 πŸ”— Guest25 o/
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11:02 πŸ”— Guest25 so recently our government launched a postcode system, terribly designed (DHL, FedEx, etc. publicly said they weren't going to use it), spent €27m on designing and deploying it, and the people who won the tender are trying profiting from it
11:04 πŸ”— Guest25 I've figured out a way I could grab all postcode/address/area/coordinate combinations from their web API, struggling to get enough resources to carry it out though. figured you guys would be experts on scraping large amounts of data. anyone have some tips?
11:05 πŸ”— Guest25 when I say large, I need to check 390,625 codes per routing key (there are 139), so around 54,296,875 HTTP requests in total
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11:41 πŸ”— ersi Well, you probably don't want to get blocked. So many IPs + delay between request + jitter is a good start
11:42 πŸ”— ersi And probably don't hit them too hard, as they might notice it if it goes down
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11:48 πŸ”— Guest25 ersi: how would I go about running on different IPs simultaneously? I have my home connection + a server, but that server only has one IP
11:49 πŸ”— Guest25 I don't have much money to spend on resources, which is the real limiting factor
11:53 πŸ”— dashcloud you'll probably need to use Amazon's AWS or similar cloud services to get all the IPs
12:12 πŸ”— Guest25 hmm
12:17 πŸ”— ersi AFAIK you won't need to spend a fortune on AWS - and it's easy and cheap (AFAIK you get to do it for free a few times) to rotate IPs
12:18 πŸ”— ersi Another way would be to.. make a ArchiveTeam warrior project and then maybe people will select it and contribute, if it gets added to the warrior
12:18 πŸ”— Guest25 the only thing is this may be a legal grey-area
12:19 πŸ”— Guest25 the API itself isn't rate limited, and it's against their ToS to "abuse" it
12:20 πŸ”— ersi fuck legal grey areas
12:20 πŸ”— ersi Well, you want to rate limit to limit your exposure anyway
12:21 πŸ”— ersi also to make it harder to block
12:21 πŸ”— Guest25 true. my approach before was to send 160 requests per second, didn't end well as you can guess
12:22 πŸ”— Guest25 no harm in making a warrior project. I'll look it up, at the moment my implementation is in JS
12:23 πŸ”— ersi 160 requests per second is... pretty much from (what I assume) a single IP or two
12:23 πŸ”— Guest25 yup. got a lot of data, ended up getting my access revoked after a while
12:24 πŸ”— Guest25 ArchiveTeam looks to be more for services that are shutting down, still think this fits in?
12:24 πŸ”— ersi sure
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12:51 πŸ”— Guest25 WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD
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12:51 πŸ”— espes__ yahoosucks
12:53 πŸ”— Guest25 ersi: ready to create a project. should I use my own GH or should the project be on the ArchiveTeam org?
13:02 πŸ”— ersi Huh?
13:02 πŸ”— ersi There's only a wiki on archiveteam.org
13:02 πŸ”— Guest25 I mean for the source code
13:03 πŸ”— ersi You need to have a repo somewhere, GitHub is fine
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13:43 πŸ”— Guest25 started it off anyway: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Eircode
13:45 πŸ”— ersi Always good to have info on it :)
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14:25 πŸ”— Guest25 is it possible to execute multiple wget operations simultaneously using seesaw?
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15:07 πŸ”— arkiver scyther: yes
15:07 πŸ”— arkiver Do you have any more info on those java mobile games?
15:07 πŸ”— arkiver yipdw: thanks!!
15:08 πŸ”— scyther eh, what info would you want?
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15:08 πŸ”— arkiver well, sites where they are hosted?
15:08 πŸ”— scyther There is a whole lot of them, and nobody has even tried to sort them, so we need to grab all we can
15:09 πŸ”— scyther there are multiple small sites, i dont have the links now, but if there is interest, i will seek them out
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15:11 πŸ”— scyther pages like this: http://java.mob.org/
15:11 πŸ”— scyther but there are hundereds of pages, and thousands of games
15:12 πŸ”— scyther i think that at first we need to find out what different versions of games exist (eg. different resolustions and sometimes even mobile phone types)
15:12 πŸ”— scyther and than try to grab as much games as we can, slowly sorting them
15:13 πŸ”— scyther most of these games also have translatons
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15:25 πŸ”— scyther ping arkiver
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16:07 πŸ”— Guest25 hmm, http://warriorhq.archiveteam.org/downloads/wget-lua/wget-1.14.lua.LATEST.tar.bz2 is returning a 404 it seems
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16:31 πŸ”— Spirit AtomicGamer archival was a success
16:31 πŸ”— Spirit ~110000 files, ~9.5 terabytes. they let me rsync. https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22atomicgamer%22 i will get it a collection
16:35 πŸ”— chfoo Guest25: thanks, i will fix that in a few hours
16:43 πŸ”— Guest25 great
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17:33 πŸ”— HCross That was one very good save
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17:48 πŸ”— midas nice one Spirit
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18:03 πŸ”— Guest25 should I run my own tracker to make sure everything's functioning properly?
18:06 πŸ”— yipdw you can
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18:07 πŸ”— yipdw there exists an ArchiveTeam development environment VM at https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/archiveteam-dev-env
18:07 πŸ”— aaaaaaaaa the archiveteam-dev-env has one set up inside it: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/archiveteam-dev-env
18:08 πŸ”— Guest25 got most of it running on a server at the moment using the guide on the wiki :)
18:09 πŸ”— Guest25 if all goes well, can the project make use of ArchiveTeam's tracker (even unlisted on the main page)?
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18:09 πŸ”— yipdw it can; how much space do you anticipate it using
18:09 πŸ”— yipdw we already shove too much into IA
18:09 πŸ”— yipdw if you can provide your own storage that would be good also
18:10 πŸ”— Guest25 I can get you a rough estimate, one second
18:10 πŸ”— yipdw if it's under a few terabytes you're probably fine
18:10 πŸ”— Guest25 I have a VPS with 40GB storage which would be more than enough for the project
18:10 πŸ”— yipdw oh 40 GB?
18:10 πŸ”— yipdw I mean if that's what it'll come out to then yeah warrior is totes fine
18:11 πŸ”— Guest25 it'll probably be around the region of 5GB, it's mostly a bunch of small JSON files
18:11 πŸ”— yipdw ok yeah no problems there
18:12 πŸ”— Guest25 great
18:13 πŸ”— Guest25 have a mirror of wget-1.14.lua.LATEST.tar.bz2 by any chance?
18:13 πŸ”— DFJustin you'll want to consolidate the files into zip or tar before inflicting them on IA
18:13 πŸ”— yipdw yeah
18:13 πŸ”— yipdw if we warrior them we can adapt megawarc to zip or tar them or something
18:14 πŸ”— yipdw Guest25: I don't, it might not have moved along with the rest of warriorhq
18:14 πŸ”— yipdw chfoo might have the build, xmc can also spin up the old instance and we can move it from there
18:15 πŸ”— Guest25 yeah, chfoo said he'd sort it out later so I'll wait for that
18:15 πŸ”— yipdw there is also https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wget-lua/releases/tag/v1.14.lua2 but that may have some build issues
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18:26 πŸ”— chfoo downloads should be back now
18:31 πŸ”— arkiver Guest25: if you'd like we can write a project for it
18:33 πŸ”— Guest25 if you want to that's fine by me, I do need to brush up on my python skills though
18:34 πŸ”— Guest25 the project shouldn't be too hard, what I've noticed recently though is they throttle you after ~15 requests (could take up to 3 seconds for a response)
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18:40 πŸ”— xmc yipdw: what's missing from new-hq?
18:40 πŸ”— xmc i actually haven't yet spun down the old one
18:40 πŸ”— xmc ssh to shilling.corp.xrtc.net
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18:41 πŸ”— yipdw xmc: ah cool -- I think we need to drag over the wget bundle on warriorhq
18:41 πŸ”— * xmc nod
18:41 πŸ”— yipdw or maybe it's already there and the server path mapping needs to be fixed, I haven't checked
18:43 πŸ”— chfoo downloads should be working already
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18:44 πŸ”— Guest25 working for me, got everything set up
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19:31 πŸ”— Spirit german net activists have been accused of treason, their site died, they use IA https://twitter.com/netzpolitik/status/626821681080848385
19:31 πŸ”— kyanz`bot @netzpolitik: Wer uns wegen #Landesverrat finanziell unterstΓΌtzen will, findet hier alle Infos: https://t.co/AHTphbpUC5 http://t.co/0ocWESJwtM <https://twitter.com/netzpolitik/status/626821681080848385>
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20:09 πŸ”— kurico dunno if this is the appropriate channel to post this but I have complete scraped databases of all 4chan textboards
20:10 πŸ”— kurico link (hosted on archive.org): http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1397949784/34
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20:10 πŸ”— xmc cool
20:11 πŸ”— kurico would be nice if someone add these to the wiki as i don't have a account there
20:12 πŸ”— Guest25 signing up for account is pretty quick and easy
20:13 πŸ”— kurico let's give it a try.
20:13 πŸ”— kurico WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD
20:13 πŸ”— SketchCow yahoosucks
20:17 πŸ”— kurico added to the page, i guess that's it for me now
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