#archiveteam 2015-10-22,Thu

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01:56 πŸ”— dashcloud awesome stuff coming to the Internet Archive & Wayback Machine: http://blog.archive.org/2015/10/21/grant-to-develop-the-next-generation-wayback-machine/
02:05 πŸ”— myself Now we just need a way to fix the brains of people who write obnoxious robots.txt and cut their sites out of history
02:08 πŸ”— pokeball9 ^
02:09 πŸ”— pokeball9 Isn't the only reason that archive.org respects robot.txt is due to le lawsuits
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02:11 πŸ”— DFJustin probably the main reason anyway
02:13 πŸ”— espes__ http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/an-offer-creators-cant-refuse/
02:13 πŸ”— espes__ "Today YouTube confirmed that any β€œpartner” creator who earns a cut of ad revenue but doesn’t agree to sign its revenue share deal for its new YouTube Red $9.99 ad-free subscription will have their videos hidden from public view on both the ad-supported and ad-free tiers."
02:20 πŸ”— pokeball9 Say what
02:20 πŸ”— pokeball9 I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or not
02:20 πŸ”— espes__ they say "99% of content consumed on YouTube will be still available"
02:21 πŸ”— espes__ the youtube partner program is like 8 years old.
02:21 πŸ”— pokeball9 Ikt
02:21 πŸ”— espes__ so plenty of old stuff will probably disappear
02:21 πŸ”— pokeball9 Oh,shiit
02:21 πŸ”— espes__ so 7 days to save a big chunk of youtube?
02:22 πŸ”— pokeball9 So it will still be viewable with the url?just now with search and such?
02:23 πŸ”— espes__ it's unclear
02:23 πŸ”— espes__ oh probably just search and any form of discovery apart from the channel page
02:24 πŸ”— espes__ never mind then Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
02:24 πŸ”— pokeball9 So it's should be just unlisted
02:24 πŸ”— pokeball9 But still we should do something about this
02:25 πŸ”— espes__ "[..." why the overwhelming majority of our partners, representing over 98% of the content watched on YouTube, have signed up. Videos of partners who don’t update their terms will be made private ​in the US at launch [..."
02:25 πŸ”— pokeball9 Maybe scrape,download,then upload to an channel where that doesn't do that to?
02:25 πŸ”— espes__ so maybe not just unlisted?
02:25 πŸ”— espes__ ^ and then get flagged by contentid
02:26 πŸ”— pokeball9 ?
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02:56 πŸ”— marvinw acchan: you can read that site using inoreader.com
02:57 πŸ”— marvinw acchan: make an account and paste http://2dteleidoscope.wordpress.com/feed/ into the subscription box; there are entries from 2011 and 2012
02:57 πŸ”— marvinw 2009-2012 actually
02:57 πŸ”— marvinw you can try other RSS feed readers like feedly too
03:00 πŸ”— marvinw it's also in the google reader archive but there is no convenient way to read it afaik https://www.refheap.com/0788b640ca608157796e9fbeb/raw
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03:06 πŸ”— marvinw acchan: https://www.refheap.com/25d3c0ae8005be159d810529f/raw
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03:19 πŸ”— n00b494 WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD
03:20 πŸ”— pokeball9 Yahoosucks
03:20 πŸ”— n00b494 Should of guessed.
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07:48 πŸ”— arkiver Awesome, awesome, awesome https://blog.archive.org/2015/10/21/grant-to-develop-the-next-generation-wayback-machine/
07:49 πŸ”— arkiver "Rewriting the Wayback Machine code." might allow us to ignore certain parts of URLs like sessionIDs
07:49 πŸ”— arkiver "Improving the playback of media-rich and interactive websites." probably means support for youtube and blip videos! :D
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07:59 πŸ”— xmc oOo
08:00 πŸ”— xmc all of these are exciting
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09:01 πŸ”— ersi Aren't there already support for youtube videos?
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09:15 πŸ”— Nemo_bis As for linkrot, see https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/5794
09:21 πŸ”— arkiver ersi: archive-it has support for them, the wayback machine not yet
09:22 πŸ”— ersi I've watched YouTube videos in Wayback though
09:25 πŸ”— Nemo_bis archive-it crawls go in the general pool AFAIK
09:25 πŸ”— arkiver yes they do
09:25 πŸ”— arkiver But the player of WARCs of Archive-It is not the same player the Wayback Machine uses
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10:44 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ hi all
10:44 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ ALL of Yuku.com is down now
10:44 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ earlier on, it was just the CHFB
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10:47 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ http://www.yuku.com/
10:47 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/
10:57 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ I tried to document here: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Classic_Horror_Film_Board
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12:44 πŸ”— bzc6p_ Ghost_of_: let's hope it will be back. It would worth contacting them that they shouldn't go yet.
12:46 πŸ”— bzc6p_ We would know more about their problems, also maybe they would be cooperative in archiving them.
12:56 πŸ”— joepie91 paging arkiver
12:56 πŸ”— joepie91 arkiver ping
12:57 πŸ”— joepie91 bzc6p_: Ghost_of_: http://help.yuku.com/support/discussions/topics/3000161234
12:57 πŸ”— joepie91 " All Freeforums, Yuku, Lefora and Forumer networks are down at this time. Our technicians are working to bring everything back online. Thank you for your patience as this issue is addressed. We apologize for the inconvenience this is causing you"
12:58 πŸ”— joepie91 (support desks are often hosted off-site)
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13:27 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ bzc6p_: the question is if they will be friendly
13:28 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ joepie91: thanks, makes me slightly less nervous
13:28 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ yuku.com is still gone, though
13:28 πŸ”— joepie91 Ghost_of_: yes, everything is down, it's an outage
13:29 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ there was some discussion on the boards re. Yuku policies ... I can't link to it now, but it was suggested they will do their best to stop us, per the EULA
13:30 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ I'm thinking it may be better to continue here
13:30 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ arkiver: what software will we be using?
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14:30 πŸ”— arkiver Ghost_of_: I'll be writing some scripts for the software we're always using
14:31 πŸ”— arkiver That is the tracker, wget-lua and seesaw
14:31 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ arkiver: awesome
14:36 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ thanks for all your help
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15:17 πŸ”— arkiver Ghost_of_: :)
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15:25 πŸ”— arkiver Archiving yuku will be fun, looking forward to it :) http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/reply/1158270/PLEASE-READ-I-have-suggested-the-CHFB-be-archived#reply-1158270
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15:39 πŸ”— pokeball9 hey can i get the permisions to use the #archivebot? i want to get http://adequacy.org/ archived
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16:51 πŸ”— joepie91 .title http://www.economist.com/news/business/21676808-marissa-mayer-has-failed-revive-internet-sloth-portal-nowhere
16:51 πŸ”— joepie91 or not
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16:52 πŸ”— joepie91 .title http://www.economist.com/news/business/21676808-marissa-mayer-has-failed-revive-internet-sloth-portal-nowhere
16:52 πŸ”— botpie91 joepie91: A portal to nowhere | The Economist
16:52 πŸ”— joepie91 well that was not helpful at all...
16:52 πŸ”— joepie91 tl;dr bad news about Yahoo etc
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17:29 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ should there be a chan for CHFB/Yuku?
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17:49 πŸ”— Ghost_of_ I've linked this room from the board, some people might drop by
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21:56 πŸ”— joepie91 heads up: reason to believe that hackforums (yes, that hackforums) may be going away in the near future
21:59 πŸ”— MrRadar How soon is 'soon'? There are over 3.3 million threads so that could take a while if we just threw it at ArchiveBot
22:00 πŸ”— joepie91 MrRadar: anywhere between now and never, basically
22:00 πŸ”— joepie91 more towards now
22:00 πŸ”— HCross reasoning?
22:00 πŸ”— joepie91 probably best not to say that publicly :P
22:00 πŸ”— joepie91 it's not confirmed yet, just a likely risk
22:02 πŸ”— joepie91 but it'd probably be ideal to have at least a strategy within the next few hours
22:03 πŸ”— HCross you need to login to see threads
22:03 πŸ”— joepie91 HCross: or be googlebot
22:03 πŸ”— joepie91 lol
22:03 πŸ”— HCross rofl, such security
22:04 πŸ”— joepie91 HCross: well, it's HF. surely you did not expect anything else? :P
22:04 πŸ”— joepie91 it's just a way to get people to reg
22:04 πŸ”— joepie91 heh
22:04 πŸ”— HCross I have an acc somewhere, which I use to laugh at it
22:05 πŸ”— joepie91 yeah, basically the same for me
22:05 πŸ”— joepie91 can't stand it as a forum
22:05 πŸ”— joepie91 but occasionally there's a tidbit of info that I'm looking for
22:05 πŸ”— HCross which ive just fogotten the password to
22:05 πŸ”— joepie91 (eg. scammers on LET)
22:06 πŸ”— HCross so is this high priority then
22:07 πŸ”— joepie91 HCross: I would say so, yes
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 can't stand the place, but it has years upon years of history
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 lots of info that isn't elsewhre
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 elsewhere*
22:08 πŸ”— arkiver I'll have some time tomorrow to write some scripts
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 lots of useful info for researching scammers, too
22:08 πŸ”— arkiver tomorrow afternoon
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 as they almost inevitably have a history on HF
22:08 πŸ”— arkiver but then, is this a warrior job or an archivebot job?
22:08 πŸ”— arkiver any deadline?
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 arkiver: I'm not sure. it's pretty big
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 arkiver: deadline is ASAP
22:08 πŸ”— arkiver and what is the reason they might be going away?
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 it may disappear tomorrow, it may stick around for years
22:08 πŸ”— joepie91 arkiver: PM
22:10 πŸ”— HCross ive just logged in, and the amount of bad skiddies is amazing
22:13 πŸ”— HCross haha. my scaleway VPN is blocked
22:14 πŸ”— HCross thats another note, they seem to block datacenter IP's [403 Forbidden Error] - You might be blocked by your IP, Country, or ISP. We also block VPN's, proxies, datacenters and socks.
22:15 πŸ”— MrRadar Speaking of dying web forums, the Wizards of the Coast Community Forums archivebot job still has over 8 million pages in its queue and the site dies in 1 week
22:15 πŸ”— MrRadar Is there anything that can be done to make it faster? Or are we just going to have to live with whatever we get?
22:16 πŸ”— HCross upped the concurrency?
22:17 πŸ”— HCross !concurrency number (keep cranking this up until it errors or breaks the site)
22:17 πŸ”— HCross I meant !concurrency ident number
22:18 πŸ”— joepie91 MrRadar: getting rate limited by tracker? or not enough clients?
22:19 πŸ”— MrRadar I'm not sure
22:22 πŸ”— pokeball9 Hey joepie91 how will we get though cloudflare on hack fourm?or is there already a known way to do that?
22:22 πŸ”— pokeball9 And while we are at it why not do leak forums as well?
22:31 πŸ”— HCross pokeball9, probably GoogleBot
22:33 πŸ”— joepie91 googlebot, yes
22:35 πŸ”— achip also getting 403's from AWS with any useragent just FYI
22:35 πŸ”— HCross yup. 403's from PoneyTelecom too
22:35 πŸ”— joepie91 yeah, this would be an at-home-only project
22:35 πŸ”— HCross I have a server or 2 under the stairs, they would be fine
22:35 πŸ”— joepie91 hmm...
22:36 πŸ”— joepie91 one moment while I inquire
22:37 πŸ”— HCross Any archivebot nodes in the UK?
22:37 πŸ”— achip unless they up for archival and we could get a useragent that is allowed
22:40 πŸ”— joepie91 very doubtful, tbh
22:40 πŸ”— HCross Does anyone know if ArchiveBot can handle BBC iPlayer radio pages? like http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p035tvm3
22:45 πŸ”— DFJustin wizards community probably needs to be a warrior project
22:48 πŸ”— godane HCross: i'm grabbing it
22:48 πŸ”— Rye hey
22:50 πŸ”— HCross godane, it doesnt seem to need a UK IP either
22:50 πŸ”— godane i know
22:51 πŸ”— MrRadar Yeah, the iPlayer video streams require a UK IP but audio streams are worldwide
22:52 πŸ”— HCross and sadly my OVH "UK" IP's dont work
22:53 πŸ”— Rye about hackforums
22:53 πŸ”— Rye there's that db dump from 2011 or so, so we'd only need to get posts from then onwards right?
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23:00 πŸ”— achip might as well grab it all into warcs so its viewable in the wayback
23:12 πŸ”— acchan marvinw: holy shit I'll take a look. Thank you!
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