#archiveteam 2015-11-15,Sun

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00:34 🔗 Atluxity HCross: tried poking arkiver ?
00:36 🔗 HCross arkiver, you around?
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00:39 🔗 arkiver hi
00:39 🔗 arkiver my knowledge of rsync is not very good
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00:51 🔗 aaaaaaaaa http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Dev/Staging
00:53 🔗 aaaaaaaaa HCross: those are the directions I followed last time.
00:54 🔗 HCross yeah already been given them
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05:25 🔗 za3k Okay, ran some number on Github. I'm downloading the repos, my estimate is that there are currently 25 million repos and 7 million gists. The repos (minus forks) look to be around 110TB
05:26 🔗 za3k It is impossible to get a comprehensive list of gists, but I'll publicly post the list of repos when it finishes downloading (will be another week or so)
05:26 🔗 za3k Shallow vs deep checkout isn't that significant, nor is compression
05:27 🔗 za3k I haven't done any testing with dropping the largest repos
05:28 🔗 za3k Oh, my numbers are from a uniform sample of 1000 repos out of the first 8 million that have downloaded so far
05:29 🔗 za3k Hovering at around 40% forks on the sample
05:30 🔗 JesseW cool, glad you are doing this!
05:30 🔗 za3k Well, it's around where I have to stop, since I don't have 2TB free, let alone 100TB, but I thought I'd post it at least to save the next person time.
05:31 🔗 JesseW if you'd like to write it up on the ArchiveTeam wiki, that might be a good place for it. The secret word is: yahoosucks
05:32 🔗 za3k I'll write it up once the repos finish downloading and I can post a link.
05:33 🔗 za3k Err sorry, I'm downloading the /LIST/ of repos, as I don't have space for the repos.
05:34 🔗 za3k But I should be able to maintain that, similar to what githubarchive.com is doing.
05:35 🔗 za3k Rather less exciting.
05:39 🔗 JesseW still valuable.
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05:57 🔗 SketchCow NEEDS MORE EMOJIS
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06:52 🔗 yipdw only required emoji
06:53 🔗 yipdw OH WAIT 🖕
06:53 🔗 yipdw NICE
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08:00 🔗 chfoo arkiver: ok, added
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10:38 🔗 notjack There are a lot of outdated pages on this wiki :-P
10:43 🔗 PurpleSym And almost no links from finished projects to IA items either.
10:45 🔗 notjack I think I need to spend a day just updating the wiki at some point.
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10:47 🔗 notjack It's a shame i can't edit the main-page either, but I guess it makes sense :)
10:48 🔗 bzc6p notjack: thank you for that. Once in a while I also do some maintainance. It's best if we immediately update project pages on status change.
10:49 🔗 notjack bzc6p: Nice. Yeah, I'll try and go through Deathwatch and Fire Drill and check statuses as well.
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10:51 🔗 PurpleSym Wrt links to IA items: We could either extend the infobox itself or {{saved}} and {{partiallysaved}}. Opinions?
10:56 🔗 notjack {{saved}} and {{partiallysaved}}
10:56 🔗 notjack I've updated Deathwatch to include some dealines that have passed.
10:56 🔗 bzc6p PurpleSym: Reasonable, but not sure if people would find that. Also, we've got used to have and "Archives" section.
10:57 🔗 arkiver Maybe we can make http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Projects up to date
10:58 🔗 arkiver Make the page more visible from the frontpage
10:58 🔗 PurpleSym Sure, a section is fine too. But the infobox is more visible imo.
10:58 🔗 arkiver we should also update this list http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Warrior_projects
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11:00 🔗 bzc6p I think only Warrior projects is much behind. Projects is quite up-to-date.
11:03 🔗 arkiver looks like we're almost ready for the google code project
11:03 🔗 arkiver Atluxity: then you can really bring in the big guns ;)
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11:05 🔗 arkiver bzc6p: yeah, and Warrior projects is I think one of the most important pages on the wiki
11:05 🔗 notjack Moved CyberPunkReview.com from Fire Drill to Deathwatch
11:05 🔗 arkiver A good list of everything we've done
11:06 🔗 bzc6p arkiver: aggreed.
11:06 🔗 bzc6p Will Google Code probably block us with captchas?
11:06 🔗 arkiver Nah, I don't think they will
11:06 🔗 arkiver I've run it quite fast here and didn't get any captchas
11:07 🔗 arkiver And from earlier project it never lookes like Google was really actively working on stopping us from grabbing their sites
11:07 🔗 arkiver I have the feeling they even delayed the shutdown of baraza for us
11:10 🔗 bzc6p We had to do tricks when discovering blogger
11:10 🔗 bzc6p I don't remember baraza
11:11 🔗 bzc6p google search is also protected by captchas. That's why I though about that, but if not, that's good.
11:12 🔗 Atluxity arkiver: niiiie! :D
11:13 🔗 Atluxity +c
11:15 🔗 notjack Moved FriendFeed from Fire Drill to Deathwatch
11:15 🔗 Atluxity I like you notjack
11:15 🔗 notjack Atluxity: Thanks :)
11:20 🔗 notjack Moved The Grid from Fire Drill to Deathwatch
11:22 🔗 notjack Moved Nakido from Fire Drill to Deathwatch
11:29 🔗 notjack Moved GameSpy, 1UP and Ugo from Fire Drill to Deathwatch
11:31 🔗 notjack Moved Ovi Store from Fire Drill to Deathwatch
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11:35 🔗 notjack Moved Blip.tv from Fire Drill to Deathwatch
11:36 🔗 notjack And that looks like the Fire Drill is updated @all
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11:53 🔗 bzc6p notjack: I think the sites gone for good could not only be striked out but removed from Fire Drill.
11:54 🔗 notjack bzc6p: I left the sites there for historical purposes and so it could be obvious what I changed, but I can remove those entries if you think that would be better.
11:55 🔗 bzc6p The list is long enough. Important information can be moved to Deatchwatch along with the mention. It's just my opinion, though.
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12:01 🔗 notjack Removed items moved to Deathwatch from Fire Drill
12:02 🔗 notjack Updated titles to be more understandable in Deathwatch
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12:14 🔗 wooza Hi, i was just listing to "The Spendiferous Story of Archive Team - Jason Scott - PDA2011.mp3" and it reminded me i was going to ask in this channel
12:14 🔗 wooza could someone point me in the direction for all the backups of alexa top-1m.csv.zip files, some use to be on archive.org but had access restiction, is their an ftp with them somewhere?
12:19 🔗 wooza anyone?
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12:26 🔗 joepie91 wooza: this is IRC, it may take a while for people to respond :)
12:27 🔗 wooza ok
12:27 🔗 wooza do you have any leads?
12:29 🔗 wooza @joepie91 i had seen some on archive.org in the past but some where missing also, thought someone might have an ftp or dir with them
12:31 🔗 joepie91 wooza: I have no idea, personally.
12:31 🔗 joepie91 best to wait around until somebody comes along who does
12:31 🔗 joepie91 :p
12:31 🔗 wooza @joepie91: is their someone i could email?
12:32 🔗 wooza archiveteam@archiveteam.org goes to whom?
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12:38 🔗 bzc6p wooza: afaik that's read by Jason Scott
12:40 🔗 bzc6p wooza: I found this: https://ia802605.us.archive.org/13/items/MostPopular1MillionWebsitesIn2008/
12:40 🔗 bzc6p but I guess you need several issues?
12:40 🔗 wooza bzc6p: i already saw that, there is daily backups somewhere
12:40 🔗 wooza bzc6p: thanks anyway
12:40 🔗 bzc6p on IA?
12:41 🔗 wooza bzc6p: i have seen some where its daily on archive.org but they have restricted access, not sure if they exist still
12:41 🔗 bzc6p wooza: It probably exists. Rumour has it that IA doesn't delete a byte ever, just hides.
12:42 🔗 wooza bzc6p: some are restricted access though, so need a ftp or dir etc...
12:42 🔗 bzc6p If this is the case, SketchCow (Jason Scott), who is an IA employee, can confirm, but I doubt he will give it away, as IA probably has a reason to hide that.
12:43 🔗 wooza bzc6p: its just alexa rank data that has been public? ....
12:43 🔗 wooza bzc6p: its just im stupid and didnt set up a vps 10 years ago to back it up daily
12:43 🔗 bzc6p Now SketchCow has been pinged and might reply. If not, try emailing.
12:43 🔗 wooza bzc6p: someone else did though so im trying to get that ;p
12:44 🔗 wooza bzc6p: is SketchCow jason?
12:44 🔗 bzc6p Yes.
12:44 🔗 wooza bzc6p: you pinged him?
12:45 🔗 bzc6p you too, by mentioning him
12:45 🔗 wooza bzc6p: oh i havent used irc since i was young so dont remember how it works much lol
12:45 🔗 bzc6p :)
12:45 🔗 wooza bzc6p: thanks anyway though
12:46 🔗 wooza when you do "name: hi name bla bla" are you supposed to put the @ and stuff in if they are op? or just their username and no symbols?
12:47 🔗 bzc6p I think a smart IRC client understands both.
12:48 🔗 wooza what about the : is that needed?
12:49 🔗 arkiver yes
12:49 🔗 wooza ok
12:49 🔗 arkiver for these talks, please go to #archiveteam-bs
12:49 🔗 bzc6p I don't think so.
12:49 🔗 arkiver sorry, no it's not needed to ping someone
12:49 🔗 arkiver yeah
12:49 🔗 wooza @arkiver: wops my bad, did you have any info on the alexa top-1m.csv.zip backups?
12:50 🔗 arkiver no
12:51 🔗 Atluxity seems like my hose-rig is down for a little
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17:11 🔗 arkiver So Internet Archive is recording channels on and off
17:11 🔗 arkiver ^ television channels
17:12 🔗 arkiver FRANCE24 was last recorded 20140522 and IA started recording it 20151114 again
17:13 🔗 arkiver I'm not sure what IA's reason is to stop recording these channels
17:14 🔗 arkiver but I really think it's bad for an archive to just start and stop recordings of channels like this
17:15 🔗 arkiver IA has now totally missed the first reports on 20151113 of the shootings
17:16 🔗 arkiver A reason for stopping the recording int 2014 might be that FRANCE24 recordings are almost never watched
17:17 🔗 arkiver And FRANCE24 is definitely not the only channel being on and off recorded currently
17:18 🔗 arkiver As far as I know the whole point of recording these channels is to preserve news and important events.
17:18 🔗 arkiver The way IA is currently recording some channels, this point is totally missed
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17:19 🔗 arkiver Recording channels is expensive though, so that might be a reason to stop recording when videos are not watched often.
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17:20 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: ^
17:21 🔗 arkiver And it's always better to get a bit of a television channel then nothing.
17:22 🔗 arkiver But shutting down the recording of FRANCE24, one of the only or maybe the only (?) recorded french television channel, is bad I think
17:23 🔗 arkiver Maybe IA should try to spread number of recordings more equally over the countries.
17:29 🔗 godane it takes about 100gb per a day to archive TV channels
17:29 🔗 godane thats 3tb a month
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17:31 🔗 godane about 40 to 50TB after encodes to other formats + originals
17:31 🔗 godane a year
17:45 🔗 SketchCow Ahem.
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17:46 🔗 SketchCow I will waste the amount of time in this discussion to simply say, there is no situation where IA is able to record a channel where they go "Ah, fuck that. Stop recording."
17:46 🔗 SketchCow And when you guys speculate about "choices" the archive is making, for example in this case, it's high comedy.
17:47 🔗 SketchCow I am positive they lost a node, or a channe stopped being unencrypted, or so on.
17:47 🔗 SketchCow So, they're recording things "on and off" like Archive Team is saving sites "on and off"
17:53 🔗 Atluxity if I was to have access to livestreams for a couple of norwegian tv-channels, mostly cause of my norwegian IP, would that be something IA would be interested in? Norway have a compulsory archiveing law covering tv broadcast, but that does not mean its easily accessible.
17:53 🔗 SketchCow There needs to be a discussion. I'll have one when I'm onsite on Tuesday.
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18:11 🔗 SketchCow Brought it up in the Slack channel because hey Slack
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18:16 🔗 Atluxity thanks
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18:41 🔗 godane SketchCow: if its on and off then me save stuff like Korea Today makes more sense now
18:41 🔗 godane and all of the other news channel stuff
18:43 🔗 godane i'm also now getting something thats special
18:43 🔗 godane Sega Germany Dreamcast Pre-Launch "Press Data and Material".
18:44 🔗 godane that disc is only released to press members
18:45 🔗 SimpBrain ah i've seen that posted too
18:46 🔗 schbirid http://academictorrents.com/ looks pretty inactive
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19:02 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: So is it ok if I check every now and then if channels stopped recording, in case something went wrong with nodes or encryption?
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19:07 🔗 arkiver So currently the IA is not grabbing any Dutch/Belgian channels. BVN is a Dutch/Belgian tv channel which is also freely available in the US by the Eutelsat 113 West A satellite. http://www.bvn.tv/ontvangst
19:08 🔗 arkiver SketchCow: Do you think IA can record that channel?
19:10 🔗 JesseW arkiver: where is this list of recorded channels?
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19:14 🔗 bzc6p godane: I don't know how many tv channels you think needs 100 gb/day
19:15 🔗 bzc6p I think one tv channel needs not more than 4 terabytes a year in a medium quality.
19:15 🔗 bzc6p (11 GB/day)
19:16 🔗 bzc6p Say, 100 channels of the world would cost 400 TB/year.
19:16 🔗 bzc6p If I were a bit more wealthy, I'd do 3 channels plus some radio myself, of my country. Maybe a bit later.
19:17 🔗 godane i'm basing this 4GB per a hour MPEG1/2 encoding
19:17 🔗 godane thats what was used for 9/11 video
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19:45 🔗 antomatic France24 is FTA on satellite in Europe, if there's any lack of coverage it wouldn't be impossible to set up a recording elsewhere
19:45 🔗 antomatic It has no live captioning, which makes searching and indexing less simple, though
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19:52 🔗 antomatic [Also comes in three versions - French, English, and Arabic]
19:59 🔗 antomatic 4GB per hour is about 9-10 megabits, Godane - few news channels broadcast at anything like that bitrate. only the occasinosl HD network would get anywhere close.
19:59 🔗 antomatic *occasional
20:03 🔗 godane i was wrong
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20:03 🔗 godane i thought i said 4gb one time as the mpg
20:03 🔗 godane its about 3gb for 2 hours
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20:04 🔗 antomatic Works out to about 3.5mbps - that's good broadcast-quality standard definition MPEg2, for exmaple.
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20:09 🔗 antomatic France24 on Astra2 _right now_ swings between about 2.5 to 3.2mbps on average - doesn't seem to jump far above/below those rates.
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20:16 🔗 aaaaaaaaa that seems low. 1080*1920*24bits is around 50 megabits for 1 frame
20:18 🔗 aaaaaaaaa anyway this is more -bs
20:19 🔗 arkiver FRANCE24 is recorded in 704*480
20:20 🔗 antomatic aaaaaa - don't underestimate broadcast compresion, it's literally of the ratios of 100:1 or more
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20:23 🔗 antomatic It's 720x576 in Europe - higher resolution due to Her Majesty's PAL standard :)
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21:51 🔗 HCross if there is a archivebot grab going on for lowendbox/talk, might be good if that is paused as they are under quite a large ddos
21:51 🔗 useretail hey. can anyone recursively archive this webpage: http://mgvs.org/public/
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23:26 🔗 MrRadar Re the France 24 talk earlier, about an hour or two after the attacks I started grabbing their English web stream through Archive Bot and continued for several hours afterwards
23:27 🔗 MrRadar I should probably download the warcs and stitch them together and then upload it as a video back to the Archive
23:33 🔗 arkiver MrRadar: awesome
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23:51 🔗 antomatic That could be a good ad-hoc warrior project - maybe something that picks some kind of streaming video source in the country matching the IP address of the warrior, and records for a certain amount of time.
23:52 🔗 antomatic or fetch on-demand news bulletins (e.g. BBC1 UK Six O'Clock News, 13/11/2015) from local on-demand sources.
23:52 🔗 antomatic Newswarrior.
23:55 🔗 antomatic Could grab radio news bulletins too, or talk radio stations, etc
23:56 🔗 antomatic Might be a nice 'slow'/always-on type project that guaranteed there'd always be something for warriors to do, in some way

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