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02:17 🔗 JesseW vitzli: feel free to ask me questions about IA census stuff now if you like
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04:41 🔗 phillipsj JesseW, the NSA copy (of twitter) probably does not count because it is classified. ;) (yes it took me that long to come up with that one)
04:42 🔗 JesseW phillipsj: I wasn't thinking of that one -- I was thinking of the Library of Congress copy; which I think *does* count.
04:43 🔗 JesseW BTW, have you seen http://archive.org/metadata/nsa (warning, large)?
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04:46 🔗 phillipsj I don't think so.
04:48 🔗 JesseW it's an amusing perversion of the usual arrangement of Internet Archive metadata (for those who enjoy such things)
04:49 🔗 phillipsj I asked file what is was: nsa: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with very long lines
04:51 🔗 phillipsj Oh I get it: it is not reams of private information; only "meta-data"
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04:55 🔗 Microguru I've noticed that youtube-dl fails to work on videos that have, for lack of a better term, copyrighted music. vevo videos, for example. "ERROR: unable to download video data: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden" is the error message that I get
04:57 🔗 JesseW phillipsj: yes, that's amusing, but what makes it weird for IA is that most metadata is a few kilobytes -- but that one is 15 MEGABYTES.
04:57 🔗 JesseW because it contains descriptions of thousands of news clips about the nsa spying scandal
04:58 🔗 JesseW which would normally go in actual data files, but for some reason, they decided to put them in the metadata in this case
05:01 🔗 kyan Microguru, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf_wVfwpfp8 seemed to start dowrnloading the video data fine using youtube-dl version 2016.01.23. Did you update?
05:02 🔗 phillipsj JesseW, it is a meta-joke :)
05:02 🔗 Microguru version 2015.12.31
05:03 🔗 kyan I'd update, then
05:03 🔗 kyan # youtube-dl -U
05:03 🔗 Microguru is it normal for that to break periodically? is it some kind of cat and mouse game?
05:04 🔗 kyan I think so. It breaks a lot for me, I just update when it does
05:06 🔗 JesseW phillipsj: yes, yes it is. :-)
05:07 🔗 Microguru it works with a version released this year. it's worth noting somewhere that if we ever have to do a partial/full archive of youtube to make sure that the youtube-dl version is always up to date. if someone makes a warrior project, for example, that uses whatever version is in debian stable's repos it would break on a lot on things
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05:10 🔗 kyan full archive of youtube: That would be... substantial. I think it's like an order of magnitude larger than IA
05:16 🔗 JesseW hm, I wonder how large a massively downsampled full archive of youtube would be. i.e. 8bit sound, 320x200 pixel video or something like that.
05:16 🔗 Microguru true, but if it comes down to it we could save a lot of stuff, espically if we get project Valhalla going #huntinggrounds
05:17 🔗 Microguru I mage a couple of archive-quality channal downloads earler this year, so those will live on.
05:20 🔗 Microguru if we could convince the wider public to archive their favorite channels and hold on to them locally that would help out a lot. if someone makes an easy tool for your average joe to use that would help (front end GUI for youtube-dl with one click archiving and a "upload to IA" button for when it's time?)
05:23 🔗 kyan It would be nice if everyone did that, but literally we'd end up with like 100 copies of Katy Perry's channel and nothing else
05:24 🔗 kyan (nothing against Katy Perry, but you probably get my point)\
05:26 🔗 JesseW long tail -- we'd end up with millions of copies of Katy Perry's channel yes, but also single copies of millions of deeply obscure close-to-family-home-video channels
05:27 🔗 Microguru perhaps, but I assume that if you take any 100 random youtube users, their intrests likely don't overlap much, thus we would get a random sampling of what people like
05:27 🔗 JesseW Microguru: the trick with trying to widely promote a download-from-youtube tool is if/when it became well known, it would therefore be worth the effort for youtube to shut it down
05:28 🔗 Microguru it seems like all those youtube-to-mp3 sites last a long time
05:29 🔗 yipdw if you want to get an idea of how much of a mess downloading youtube is, https://www.jwz.org/hacks/youtubedown
05:29 🔗 yipdw check out the line starting my %ciphers = (
05:29 🔗 yipdw basically Youtube employs assholes
05:30 🔗 kyan That line — wtf
05:30 🔗 Microguru i'm not sure what would make youtube had downloaders so much, unless a competetor was harvesting all their content for their site
05:30 🔗 yipdw this is also a problem that ArchiveBot runs into
05:30 🔗 yipdw in that we really need to update youtube-dl much more often than we update pipelines and we don't have a good pipeline story
05:31 🔗 yipdw with the warrior you get faster updates, ish
05:31 🔗 yipdw anyway I'm getting into #-bs material so I'm gonna stop
05:31 🔗 Microguru there are likely a lot of channels with 1,000<x<1,000,000 suscribers that would get archived even if only a smallish number of people get on board
05:32 🔗 Microguru I broungt it up here first since it seemed like a medium priotity issue
05:32 🔗 Microguru either way, I just joned #archiveteam-bs if that's where this needs to go
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05:54 🔗 phillipsj Youtube exists in a weird fantasy world where streaming is not the same as downloading.
05:55 🔗 yipdw they have done a pretty good job of thrusting that fantasy on the rest of us
05:56 🔗 phillipsj I think realplayer started it (they got in trouble for a "record" button back in the day)
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06:05 🔗 Microguru the RIAA tried to make burning CDs of legally purchased songs illegal
06:07 🔗 MrRadar Yeah, remember when Apple's DRM included a limitation that you could only burn a purchased song 10 times?
06:07 🔗 MrRadar (And that burning a song to CD was their only official option for backing it up in case you lost your DRM key?)
06:08 🔗 MrRadar Also, does anyone know the people that run minus.com? It's an apparently defunct social network/image sharing site and their image servers all appear to be down
06:08 🔗 MrRadar Though the rest of the site still seems functional
06:09 🔗 Microguru the minus.com frontbage loads for me
06:10 🔗 MrRadar Including all the user images?
06:10 🔗 Microguru but yeah the images don't seem to be loading
06:11 🔗 MrRadar Hmm... looks like their service has been slowly dying according to posts from users on the official (but abandond) reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MINUS/comments/3unhek/many_links_seems_to_be_broken/
06:12 🔗 MrRadar I guess the last working image server finally died
06:12 🔗 MrRadar Too bad I didn't find about about this until afterwards :(
06:12 🔗 Microguru let's check IA and see what we still have
06:13 🔗 JesseW dump it in #archivebot!
06:17 🔗 MrRadar Going through the logs of some sites I was scraping it looks like it was still at least partly working as of last October but was dead by early this month
06:17 🔗 MrRadar Which sucks because one of these sites used minus pretty heavily as an image host for a short while :(
06:21 🔗 Microguru "Major: Microguru: Sorry, only channel operators or voiced users may use that command." it won't let me do it. anyone have permission?
06:30 🔗 Microguru I think I was planning to download an album from there a dew years ago, and never got around to it. not to self: don't put that kind of thing off anymore
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07:17 🔗 ersi Just highlight someone with op/voice and ask them to put it in then
07:18 🔗 ersi You can still talk in #archivebot...
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09:05 🔗 schbirid apparently http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/01/36-best-quotes-of-davos-2016 is not satire so someone please archive weforum.org
09:13 🔗 PurpleSym Not grabbed, I guess? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/google-turns-the-lights-out-on-glass-social-media-channels/
09:14 🔗 yipdw there are some things I am okay with losing
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12:43 🔗 icedice "Update 12/19/2015
12:43 🔗 icedice iNFOTHREAD will be closing it's cyber doors in the up comming weeks/months. It's been a long 5 years and a decent run. I've ran out of time and the budget for the site has been gone for far too long. I can't finaically or mentally keep the site online any longer. I do appreciate everyone that has visited over the last 5 years and stuck around thru some rough times.
12:43 🔗 icedice Regards, TEAMiNFO" - http://infothread.org/
12:46 🔗 icedice ^ Can ArchiveBot handle sites that have CloudFlare DDoS protection?
12:47 🔗 HCross2 icedice: should do as it's just a cdn
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12:48 🔗 icedice Ok, nice
12:48 🔗 megaminxw okay, how should we do this then
12:50 🔗 icedice ArchiveBot has to be set to accept cookies though, if you want to get past the CloudFlare loading screen. But I assume that you already know that.
12:56 🔗 ersi Move on into #archivebot I suggest
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13:11 🔗 icedice Ok
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13:44 🔗 phillipsj cloudFlare sometimes requires JavaScript.
13:44 🔗 phillipsj It is either configurable or only when the site is under "attack"
13:54 🔗 icedice I have no idea how to configure that
13:55 🔗 icedice Could someone else who is more experienced save infothread.org?
14:32 🔗 phillipsj I meant whomever owns the website probably has a check-box, but I am not sure about that.
14:36 🔗 icedice ok
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15:15 🔗 balrog huh I don't think that IA background is supposed to happen at http://web.archive.org/web/20000229045245/http://www.superdisk.com/sc/index.html — interesting bug
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15:19 🔗 MrRadar Wow, that's a nice early example of a Javascript Monstrosity (TM)!
15:20 🔗 MrRadar The page injects different <body> tags into the document depending on which browser you are using
15:20 🔗 MrRadar Which includes hard-coded links to image resources, which the IA apparently can't rewrite
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15:45 🔗 icedice I tried archiving http://infothread.org/ with ArchiveBot, but it didn't work
15:46 🔗 icedice probably CloudFlare DDoS protection that's causing this
15:46 🔗 icedice ArchiveBot would have to accept cookies in order for it to work
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17:16 🔗 jaK hello
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17:56 🔗 ersi Hi
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20:52 🔗 SketchCow Hi guys - my name is Ines and I'm a reporter with CBS News, working on an investigative story involving a young man who's Twitter account was suspended last year, following his arrest and subsequent conviction for terrorism Material Support.
20:52 🔗 SketchCow I am trying to find all logs/archived Tweets of his former Twitter account, which had garnered tens of thousands of followers and he ran it over a period of about 3 years. The handle:
20:52 🔗 SketchCow https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness
20:52 🔗 SketchCow Please advise what you think id the best way for me to find these Tweets!
20:52 🔗 SketchCow Thanks so much
20:52 🔗 SketchCow All best
20:52 🔗 SketchCow Anyone got any ideas?
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20:58 🔗 yipdw SketchCow: nothing in ArchiveBot unfortunately
20:59 🔗 Start wayback has partial coverage: http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140824234911/https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness/status/501608910990876672
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21:00 🔗 Start only 16 urls though, but it's better than nothing: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/https://twitter.com/AmreekiWitness/*
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21:02 🔗 Start google images also has several tweets as images: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=amreekiwitness&tbm=isch
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