#archiveteam 2016-07-31,Sun

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09:18 πŸ”— Scuttle hm, you're hitting my site, randomwaffle, archiving the whole thing, tried to contact someone to rsync the files instead, but no response so far...
09:21 πŸ”— PurpleSym Scuttle: Would you prefer rsync instead?
09:23 πŸ”— Scuttle it would be much faster, my logs are really filling up... :)
09:23 πŸ”— PurpleSym I can provide you with a rsync target and handle syncing to IA, but I don’t know how to turn off the archivebot job.
09:24 πŸ”— PurpleSym I remember you saying it was ~300G?
09:24 πŸ”— HCross PurpleSym, !abort is a wonderful thing
09:24 πŸ”— Scuttle PurpleSym: something like that
09:24 πŸ”— HCross but PurpleSym - you'll need to WARC it all
09:25 πŸ”— PurpleSym Can I !abort someone else’s job?
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09:26 πŸ”— HCross yipdw is probably the person to ask. Try it after you get the files though
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09:27 πŸ”— Scuttle maybe even closer to 400GB depending on your clustersize...
09:28 πŸ”— PurpleSym That’s fine, 1.9T avail.
09:28 πŸ”— Scuttle cool, cool
09:28 πŸ”— Scuttle you want the source for the randomwaffle site too?
09:29 πŸ”— PurpleSym We’ll take everything you have.
09:29 πŸ”— Scuttle k
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10:06 πŸ”— PurpleSym Scuttle: Is the (random example) URL http://img.waffleimages.com/d2500ed1caea000c2542b72cf1820b0af94aeb5d/nuclear_fireball_black_metal_dinosaur_holocaust.jpg located in /images/d2/d2500ed1caea000c2542b72cf1820b0af94aeb5d.jpg ?
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10:37 πŸ”— Scuttle hm
10:38 πŸ”— Scuttle ah, yes
10:38 πŸ”— Scuttle that's right
10:38 πŸ”— Scuttle there is a database that comes with it
10:38 πŸ”— Scuttle been years since I looked at this
10:38 πŸ”— PurpleSym Ah, nice. So we can map the hashes back to filenames (last part of the URL)?
10:38 πŸ”— Scuttle yes
10:41 πŸ”— Scuttle oh...no
10:41 πŸ”— Scuttle actually
10:41 πŸ”— Scuttle I only have the file hashes
10:42 πŸ”— Scuttle the site only cares about the hash-part of the URL
10:42 πŸ”— Scuttle or used to at least
10:42 πŸ”— arkiver If we don't grab the site as WARC file it will not go into the wayback machine
10:42 πŸ”— Scuttle http://img.waffleimages.com/d2500ed1caea000c2542b72cf1820b0af94aeb5d/mr_poopy_butthole.jpg and http://img.waffleimages.com/d2500ed1caea000c2542b72cf1820b0af94aeb5d/nuclear_fireball_black_metal_dinosaur_holocaust.jpg will give the same image
10:42 πŸ”— arkiver but will probably end up as some tarred file somewhere, which people will have to fins first and then have to find their image in
10:42 πŸ”— PurpleSym Bummer. We could’ve reconstructed the original URLs and injected a WARC into Wayback.
10:42 πŸ”— arkiver ^Scuttle
10:43 πŸ”— Scuttle hm?
10:43 πŸ”— arkiver PurpleSym: We do not have the original headers
10:43 πŸ”— arkiver it is possible to create a WARC, but it's kind of falsifying information in the wayback machine
10:43 πŸ”— PurpleSym We can just reconstruct them.
10:44 πŸ”— PurpleSym So it’s a policy decision.
10:44 πŸ”— Scuttle the original waffleimages never cared about the original filenames
10:44 πŸ”— PurpleSym Not a technical question.
10:44 πŸ”— Scuttle only stored the files as <md5>.jpg
10:44 πŸ”— Scuttle or png or whatever
10:44 πŸ”— arkiver It's not a technical question, creating WARCs if we want to do that is not a problem
10:45 πŸ”— arkiver err
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10:45 πŸ”— arkiver Is the job already aborted?
10:45 πŸ”— PurpleSym Scuttle: The wayback machine doesn’t know that, unfortunately.
10:45 πŸ”— Scuttle hm
10:45 πŸ”— PurpleSym arkiver: Yes.
10:46 πŸ”— arkiver ok
10:50 πŸ”— Scuttle did I mess stuff up now? :)
10:55 πŸ”— PurpleSym Nah, we’re good unless arkiver disagrees ;)
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11:03 πŸ”— SmileyG surely we if have the source, then we can re-create the entire site and warc it locally on someones machine?
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11:04 πŸ”— SmileyG maybe requiring a little bit of hosts file magic of course.
11:05 πŸ”— SmileyG But I don't know, maybe I'm missing something
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14:56 πŸ”— SketchCow Bioware Forums closing down.
14:56 πŸ”— SketchCow ....scrolling up, I see it's being addressed. TRhanks
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18:21 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh do we have http://ftp.sunet.se/mirror/archive/ftp.sunet.se/ archived?
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18:41 πŸ”— cole What would be the best way to make my own copy of KAT?
18:42 πŸ”— JesseW KAT?
18:42 πŸ”— cole Kickass Torrents
18:42 πŸ”— HCross KickAssTorrents
18:43 πŸ”— JesseW I don't think we can particularly help you with that.
18:43 πŸ”— cole Its a site that was taken down and there is a few mirrors up but I would like to have my own in case thoose get taken down
18:44 πŸ”— JesseW You might try using wget or grab-site or similar tools
18:47 πŸ”— cole I just used wget -m lets see how this goes lol
18:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Surely we have done ftp.sunet.se several times over at this point.
18:49 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh looks like the mirror of their mirror was done april 30
18:49 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh not sure if by archivebot or not
18:49 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh apr 30 2016
18:49 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh https://web.archive.org/web/20160430093210/http://ftp.sunet.se/mirror/archive/ftp.sunet.se/
18:50 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh so i'm not sure how complete our mirror of their mirror of their older site is
18:50 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh lemme check #archivebot logs for apr 30...
18:51 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh SketchCow: also the 2012 mirror of the hp ftp softpaq stuff is uploaded to fos, thank god i used rsync with checksums and resume, connection failed about 5 times but md5 on both ends matches
18:51 πŸ”— yipdw the #effteepee project is a lot better for this
18:51 πŸ”— yipdw also we have a viewer of archivebot jobs, it's faster than IRC logs
18:52 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh its in /0/cdroms/ or something
18:52 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh might not be the correct directory
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18:52 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh yipdw: how can i view past archivebot jobs?
18:53 πŸ”— yipdw http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/
18:53 πŸ”— yipdw but https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_ftp?&sort=-downloads&and[]=ftp.sunet.se is faster
18:53 πŸ”— yipdw IA search is pretty cool
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18:58 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh does it not store the parameters used for the archivebot invocation somewhere?
19:01 πŸ”— yipdw the wpull command line is in each WARC as the first record
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19:17 πŸ”— schbirid just in case this was not posted before http://blog.bioware.com/2016/07/29/concerning-our-forums/
19:19 πŸ”— * JesseW just did Wayback Save page on that, and was un-pleased to find no-one had done so before me...
19:20 πŸ”— JesseW If one of the people here who likes making bots wanted to make a bot that automatically did Wayback Save on any URL mentioned here, I for one think that would be a great idea.
19:24 πŸ”— SketchCow Bad idea
19:24 πŸ”— SketchCow You're literally making an android nerd that jumps the gun before we can discuss it
19:24 πŸ”— SketchCow Robo-DoomTay
19:25 πŸ”— JesseW Even for single pages, with the robots.txt rules that Wayback Save has?
19:25 πŸ”— SketchCow How does the robot do that.
19:25 πŸ”— SketchCow We don't even know why
19:25 πŸ”— SketchCow No.
19:25 πŸ”— SketchCow Archivebot does it fine.
19:25 πŸ”— JesseW OK.
19:27 πŸ”— JesseW What about a robot that, when it saw a link (like http://example.net ), would reply with a URL of the form: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://example.net -- thereby making it easier for people here to check if the Wayback Machine already has a copy, but doesn't do anything automatically?
19:27 πŸ”— schbirid too much clutter
19:28 πŸ”— JesseW fair point
19:28 πŸ”— HCross ^
19:28 πŸ”— HCross we all ready hav purplebot doing its thing
19:30 πŸ”— SketchCow JesseW: You are trying to fix the wrong thing
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19:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Archive.org has an availability API we're going to wire archivebot into
19:32 πŸ”— MrRadar In what way?
19:32 πŸ”— JesseW nice.
19:32 πŸ”— JesseW sorry, going AFK
19:33 πŸ”— Frogging yeah, in what way? I'm curious
19:37 πŸ”— SketchCow OH NOW YOU'RE ALL INTERESTED
19:37 πŸ”— SketchCow For some time, the Archive Wayback team's been working on a "do we have it" API
19:37 πŸ”— SketchCow Specifically because of Archive Team but other things to.
19:37 πŸ”— SketchCow To prevent things like having 21,000 grabs of the same page for 3 years
19:37 πŸ”— SketchCow We think a mass of disk space can be saved in the future.
19:37 πŸ”— SketchCow Experimentally, it's already working internally.
19:38 πŸ”— MrRadar LOL, yeah I can see why that would be good
19:38 πŸ”— MrRadar I wonder how many copies of Google fonts we've grabbed
19:38 πŸ”— Frogging sounds good
19:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Archive Team has an excellent policy: "Huh, this thing is fucking up. Let's grab ALL of it"
19:38 πŸ”— SketchCow And fact is, sometimes it turns out we just did a 34gb grab of material that hasn't changed in 10 years and IA had 20 copies already
19:39 πŸ”— SketchCow When it should be a pointer saying "unchanged"
19:39 πŸ”— * Frogging nods
19:39 πŸ”— SketchCow Now, there's A THOUSAND AND ONE WAYS THIS CAN GO WRONG
19:39 πŸ”— SketchCow (I don't want to hear them right now)
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19:39 πŸ”— SketchCow But the goal is that, say, Archivebot dumps in and the parts that are actually new go in.
19:39 πŸ”— Frogging any plan for retroactive deduping?
19:40 πŸ”— SketchCow They will likely do that, yes.
19:40 πŸ”— SketchCow Estimates is it will get back over a petabyte
19:40 πŸ”— SketchCow It might be we dump in as usual and then it gets worked over internally.
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19:53 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, the "we might be doubling or tripling data" issue is being addressed.
19:53 πŸ”— SketchCow And as for "it was mentioned in #archiveteam but nobody brought it to #archivebot", I feel that the problem is so not a problem that the problem is it happens multiple times.
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20:29 πŸ”— FalconK that's actually a really good idea.
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20:57 πŸ”— SketchCow Considering it was cooked up by the best minds in web archiving, I'd hope so
21:11 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh SketchCow: what about files where the contents are identical, but the metadata (filename, date) differ? will it properly dedup those as well?
21:11 πŸ”— Lord_Nigh this is important due to systems not storing file time/date in utc
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21:43 πŸ”— JesseW (read the log)
21:43 πŸ”— JesseW Delighted to hear more about the dedup'ing effort.
21:44 πŸ”— JesseW I'm still confused by SketchCow's statement: "I feel that the problem is so not a problem that the problem is it happens multiple times."
21:45 πŸ”— JesseW I *think* maybe that means: "I feel the real problem is that people repeatedly bring up the other 'problem' as if it was a real problem." But I'm not sure.
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22:27 πŸ”— SketchCow It means I don't think the problem is URLs are mentioned in #archiveteam that don't end up in #archivebot, but that URLs mentioned in #archiveteam are multiply submitted in #archivebot
22:28 πŸ”— SketchCow I agree there are API issues deeply worth considering before we turn away acquired data because "old" data is there
22:29 πŸ”— JesseW Ah, ok.
22:30 πŸ”— JesseW I presumed that http://web.archive.org/save *does* do deduplication already -- do you happen to know if that is true?
22:31 πŸ”— JesseW (Since the WARCs from that are not published, I can't check myself)
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22:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Somewhat.
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23:15 πŸ”— Asparagir If a few hours from now you see the ArchiveBot sitting in a corner, mumbling and sweaty and rocking back and forth, it's because I just fed it about 60-80 alt-right/neo-Nazi/affiliated tweetstreams and sites to digest, and the poor thing is probably feeling quite ill.
23:17 πŸ”— MrRadar Thanks, Asparagir. They will likely prove a valuable resource to historians trying to figure out how TF Donald Trump was nominated for president
23:17 πŸ”— Asparagir It's going to take at least 24 hours to work through the whole list. Additions welcome, of course.
23:17 πŸ”— Asparagir Yep, that was my thinking too.
23:19 πŸ”— Asparagir This ghoulish moment in history needs to be properly documented, so future librarians can laboriously catalog all the shittalking and dank pepe memes and parentheses around names and MAGA and fashy haircuts and podcasts and waifu profile pics and so on.
23:20 πŸ”— xmc hah :|
23:25 πŸ”— MrRadar Still one of the most spot-on videos from this election cycle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxKzQGHvpv4 (except it turns out they *did* matter, which is scary)
23:27 πŸ”— Asparagir Rick Wilson is amazing to follow on Twitter too --> https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson
23:28 πŸ”— Asparagir His tweets are like that video, but every day. #NeverTrump
23:28 πŸ”— Asparagir I believe later in that same video or perhaps a similar timeframe, he called Trump a "douche canoe" on air.
23:29 πŸ”— Frogging -bs

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