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@find jerusalem bible |
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SketchCow |
closure: I'm around |
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SketchCow: so, we need a machine or container that can be the git server. Any thoughts what to use? |
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SketchCow |
How much space does it need? |
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SketchCow |
I can probably throw you on sisyphus |
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closure |
I think not a whole lot of space.. let's see |
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Also, this MIGHT be a job for Kenshin |
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SketchCow |
Who wants to help but IA may be slow talking about CDN, while I am much happier to utilize resources for a project like this. |
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yipdw |
get closure on sisphyus and get the ball rollin' |
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the demo shard is 51 mb |
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times 1770 shards |
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hardly nothing |
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we may end up wanting a separate unix account per shard though, or something like that, to limit the ssh keys that can access it |
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90gb, if I see that correctly. |
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yipdw: Yes, I agree |
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yipdw |
oh I was going for the rock puns |
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SketchCow |
So, game plan. |
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1. Ignore people saying it can't be done, we're fucked, look I have numbers |
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2. Set up a version of this with teamarchive1/sisyphus |
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3. Have a few folks using it who step forward, who are not anywhere on IA infrastructure |
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4. Deal with the 1,409 problems that crop up |
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5. Hack away at a pretty interface once this is working, to show it wokring |
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6. Increase backup size when we think it works and more people step forward |
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7. Repeat 6 |
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8. Success/Failure/Wonder/Sadness |
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yipdw |
where does "try a restore" fit in? |
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yipdw |
I mostly just want to see that work; I know it's going to be largely provided by git-annex |
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that's basically the same list I have at http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK/git-annex_implementation |
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closure |
btw the dshr article is interesting, entangled storage is a neat thing (that I'd be happy to add a git-annex backend for if someone points me at the tools), but I think he has some holes in his analysis |
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SketchCow |
closure: teamarchive1.fnf.archive.org |
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Kenshin |
closure: let me know how much resource you need in terms of ram/hdd storage (please don't tell me the more the merrier), how many VMs you need, plan to need, etc |
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Kenshin |
i just got back so i'm going to clear up some pending stuff, but i'll jump in shortly after |
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SketchCow |
closure: Let me know if you hit snags with logging in |
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Kenshin: this is the controller, not the storage, it doesn't need much |
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SketchCow: logged in. now what |
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Kenshin: I suspect this will.. yeah, what he said |
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SketchCow |
closure: hahahah |
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SketchCow |
THE QUESTION |
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SketchCow |
That question every nerd asks after a successful slack or OS install |
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closure |
my thought would be: add a SHARD1 user account |
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Kenshin |
closure: so i assume ssd storage would be better :) |
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Kenshin |
closure: high RAM requirement? |
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Kenshin: absolutely |
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SketchCow |
closure: Try doing a sudo |
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ram should be low, it's just running some git stuff |
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Kenshin |
where do you prefer it? lax, nyc, uk |
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Kenshin: near IA seems to make sense |
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closure is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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Kenshin |
LAX then. what's your preferred distribution? |
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debian |
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closure |
christ SketchCow this has a lot of cpus |
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oh, it's qemu |
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SketchCow |
OH SHIT REPORTED INCIDENT |
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SketchCow and closure run through the streets, dogs barking, lights shining on them |
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SketchCow |
We had a good run, man |
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SketchCow |
tell.. |
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SketchCow |
telll underscor his ass was mighty fine |
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closure |
the box.. it's full of cpus |
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SketchCow |
closure: Fixed |
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SketchCow |
Have at, try not destroy the box, I do like it |
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SketchCow |
So, just one example where I disagree with Rosenthal |
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SketchCow |
He talks about the recovery situation |
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SketchCow |
And he mentions the crater scenario (no IA) and the slightly gon scenario (a drive pair blew up) |
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SketchCow |
And he then applies current bandwidth situation as his calculation for how long recovery takes. |
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SketchCow |
Except |
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SketchCow |
A cratered, returned IA will be hosted somewhere else, and I guarantee the organization would be paying for RIDICULOUS amounts of upstream |
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SketchCow |
RIDICULOUS |
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SketchCow |
And we'd have huge amounts of changes for allowing the maximum amount of data to flow in. |
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SketchCow |
So that's one problem right there. An academic forgets how much money can be thrown at a problem and how much people will do if given enough money for a task. |
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SketchCow |
But I'm more concerned about lost items. specific ones |
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SketchCow |
Either by mistake, hard drive failure, etc. |
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closure |
git clone SHARD1@124.6.40.227:shard1 |
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closure |
I'm using Kenshin's VM for now, I like ssd |
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closure |
give me a ssh public key and I'll give you access to this repo, to tes it |
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closure |
anyone? cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub to me |
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Sanqui |
how big is it? |
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closure |
50 mb |
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closure |
sep332: you should be able to clone it now, and see http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK/git-annex_implementation#demo_shard for other commands |
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closure |
I have also done some initial tweaks to make the repo mostly read-only |
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sep332 |
so my username is SHARD1 ? |
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closure |
that's the git repo's username, yes |
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sep332 |
got it. what's a good way to test? |
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sep332 |
after a git clone |
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closure |
pick some of the items, and git annex get them, to start |
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closure |
then git annex sync , and it should tell the server what you have |
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sep332 |
oh you updated the wiki already :p |
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sep332 |
thanks |
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closure |
you could just "git annex get ." to start downloading from the top |
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closure |
obvs we'll need better ways to allocate items to clients later |
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it's around 2 tb if you download everything ;) |
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sep332 |
ok, i've got ~800GB from the other test shard so far |
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closure |
which other one? the old http url? |
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sep332 |
on another box though so I can't just cp them... i should just fix that box i guess |
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closure |
if you already downloaded that much, you should convert it to use the new repo as origin. It's the same git repo, same daya |
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closure |
data |
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sep332 |
from testrepo1 |
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yep, shard1 *is* testrepo1 |
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good lord 800 gb? |
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sep332 |
gotcha. my git-fu is nonexistant :) |
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oh right, this is ArchiveTeam, give them a list of urls, and wham |
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sep332 |
well i had a 4TB HD sitting here all lonely |
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so, you'll need to give me the ssh public key for the account on that other box, and then edit .git/config, swap out the http url with SHARD1@124.6.40.227:shard1 |
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and then it will just switch over |
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nice to know you could pull 800 gb this way from IA over the past 2 weeks I was away |
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sep332 |
i can use the same key. |
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sure |
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so here's something you could do.. once you set up that other box, run git annex sync in both repos. Then, in the new repo: git annex get --not --copies=2 |
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that will only download files that don't have 2 known copies, and the IA counts as 1 copy, so it will get files you have not already gotten in the old repo |
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sep332 |
ok cool |
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sep332 |
i'm getting an error on git annex sync though |
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sep332 |
testshard: error while loading shared libraries: testshard: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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hmm |
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sep332 |
Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists. |
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I think that's a bug with your installation of git-annex |
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sep332 |
it says that twice and then |
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sep332 |
(non-fast-forward problems can be solved by setting receive.denyNonFastforwards to false in the remote's git config) |
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I guess you're using the standalone tarball of git-annex and maybe not in the right way |
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sep332 |
that's... spookily accurate |
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I actually tried these shards with the git-annex in debian stable, and it works ok |
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it just can't git annex fsck, otherwise things work |
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sep332 |
oh! ok then. i'll do that. |
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or you might try git-annex.linux/runshell , which should give you a shell environment using the right libs |
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sep332 |
runshell doesn't seem to help. i'm going to try whatever ubuntu has for git-annex |
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hmm, I'm not so sure it's the local install |
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paste git-annex sync --debug |
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sep332 |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FdbmsBQn |
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what does this say? git config remote.origin.url |
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sep332 |
testshard:shard1 |
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sep332 |
testshard is a line in my .ssh/config |
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sep332 |
124.6.40.227, user SHARD1 |
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yeah, I think you got that wrong somehow :) |
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maybe run: git config remote.origin.url SHARD1@124.6.40.227:shard1 |
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sep332 |
i get the same error on git-annex sync though |
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git fetch origin is what's failing there |
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sep332 |
ok now how do i tell git to use my key without putting it in .ssh/config ? |
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oh, I see your problem there.. yeah, that's a pain to set up. Why not just give me a second ssh key? |
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sep332 |
i reverted to testshard:shard1 and "git fetch origin" doesn't fail |
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sep332 |
doesn't seem to do anything |
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sep332 |
ok i got SHARD1@124.6.40.227:shard1 to work using ssh-agent |
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sep332 |
but same old error |
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dude, I dunno. you're way down some nonstandard, bad-idea config rabbithole |
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sep332 |
alright, don't sweat it then |
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when git starts trying to load your ssh/.config dummy hostname as a shared library, you've probably done something wrong |
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sep332 |
i'll sleep on it and poke it with a stick tomorrow :) |
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db48x |
closure: this isn't really your department, but when I try to install git annex from source it fails to install one of the dependencies (Test.Tasty.QuickCheck). have you noticed this? |