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lucassz |
Hi! I'm looking to upload some important content not available elsewhere to Archive.org, and I was wondering what the difference between "freeze" and "dark" was? Or where I could find documentation on this? |
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JAA |
I don't think you'll find any documentation on that. |
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astrid |
lucassz: what items are in play? |
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lucassz |
University course materials |
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astrid |
i mean, links please |
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lucassz |
That I doubt I'd be allowed to share, but probably would be ok 10 years from now |
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lucassz |
Don't have links yet, sorry |
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lucassz |
haven't uploaded anything yet |
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astrid |
so wait i think i missed part of the question |
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lucassz |
e.g. lecture slides |
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lucassz |
Oh I'm wondering if I can mark something as freeze/dark |
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lucassz |
and if so what the difference between the two is |
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lucassz |
I read about them in the metadata documentation |
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astrid |
i think freeze is "people can see that it exists but not look at it" |
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lucassz |
Because I couldn't have it be visible at time of upload |
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lucassz |
ah |
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astrid |
while dark is definitely for sure "we do not talk about this" |
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lucassz |
Ok and I could upload this stuff as dark? |
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astrid |
you cannot dark a thing yourself |
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astrid |
you have to involve an archive.org employee |
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JAA |
What you can certainly do is hide it from the search index. |
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lucassz |
Ah, could I request to have a darked collection that I could then upload things into? |
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astrid |
yes you can mark it with noindex=1 metadata |
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lucassz |
Not sure hiding from the index would be enough |
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JAA |
If someone knows the URL or your username, they could still find it though. |
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lucassz |
Would need to make it not accessible |
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lucassz |
But I still want Internet Archive to have it |
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lucassz |
To be released a long time from now |
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lucassz |
Is something like that possible? |
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lucassz |
I appreciate the help btw |
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astrid |
talk to info@archive.org and ask if they can help you with uploading to a temporarily-dark item |
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astrid |
i'm not sure if they have a time-release option but maybe? |
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lucassz |
Is the point of darked items not to have them released eventually? |
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lucassz |
Ok I will email if that would be the best way |
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astrid |
dark is ... the archive does not have a way to delete things, the technology does not allow it |
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astrid |
so they dark things like spam, copyright infringement, etc |
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astrid |
and they also use this mechanism to hide uploaded items for a time |
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lucassz |
Ah, I thought I had read elsewhere that the intention was to undark them, e.g. when they enter public domain |
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astrid |
i know of some very large dark collections, for example |
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lucassz |
Basically I just want to make sure my own data security isn't the bottleneck of this stuff being preserved |
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lucassz |
Does a lot of the ArchiveTeam stuff get darked? |
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astrid |
not very much at all |
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lucassz |
when it's copyrighted |
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lucassz |
oh |
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astrid |
sometimes yes |
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astrid |
but it's not very common |
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lucassz |
I see, here I would need it bc they might know it came from me etc |
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lucassz |
so I need a way to secure it privately for 10+ years |
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lucassz |
I'll try to research more to see if there's some kind of stated policy on what I can and can't do with this content |
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lucassz |
as you can imagine most unis don't even think to address this |
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lucassz |
like what I can do with lecture slides |
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I didn't even know this channel as a thing. |
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JAA |
Legally, unless something else is stated, chances are that the copyright lies with the person who made the slides (which may or may not be the lecturer) or the university institution, depending on the contract between those two, and any redistribution beyond the intended use for a particular lecture would be a copyright infringement. But I know plenty of lecturers though who would be happy about |
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JAA |
getting their materials redistributed and read by more people, and I also know plenty of people in academia who don't give a shit about copyright (the unis themselves might be different though; I'm talking about the scientific staff). Very, very few explicitly communicate that by e.g. applying a CC license though; I've only seen it personally on lectures which were about copyright or similar topics |
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JAA |
like digital rights. |
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JAA |
Oh, also, if the lecturers use materials accompanying a commercial book for example, you'd be much more likely to get into trouble for redistribution. |
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lucassz |
Not accompanying a textbook. You're right, talking to the professors might be a good idea |
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lucassz |
For context, I go to Harvard, and I think many of the lecture slides I have are content that's basically not available anywhere else |
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lucassz |
However I could imagine the uni having a very indirect commercial interest in not sharing them |
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JAA |
If it's individual lectures, yeah, I'd do that. |
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JAA |
Also try to figure out perhaps who owns the copyright. |
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lucassz |
Yeah, I have the copyright policy for faculty bookmarked, I'll read it soon |
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JAA |
(Probably not by asking the lecturers since in my experience they rarely know.) |
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JAA |
Right :-) |
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lucassz |
I just basically know for sure that there's at least some things I won't be allowed to share, but it sounds from what you've said that by talking to the folks at archive.org I could create a dark collection |
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lucassz |
Btw what is the intended purpose of #archiveteam vs. #archiveteam-bs? |
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astrid |
#archiveteam is for announcements, shouldn't be more than one or two screenfuls every day |
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astrid |
-bs is for lengthy discussion |
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astrid |
-ot is for things that aren't relevant to archiveteam business or projects |
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lucassz |
Ah, alright. I might add this to the wiki because I couldn't find it anywhere |
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