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dtm |
hi guys. dumb newbie questions. is there a url for new contributor orientation on archive.org? i'm wanting to edit existing items, like say taking a huge huge single PDF that's already on archive.org, of all issues of a magazine series, and breaking it up into individual issues and pages with the inline browser-based magazine reader. or learning how to take a book i have, and mount a phone camera |
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01:58
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dtm |
and app, and digitize it |
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01:58
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dtm |
some orientation for editing existing items and whatnot |
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03:25
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dtm |
furthermore, Computer History Museum has some videotapes of WWDC 1995 and i think 1996 which cover Copland and hopefully Taligent. they said for a fee, they'll send the tapes to a third party digitizing service. would IA be such a service? or would that be someone else, who then hopefully (lol) sends me the movie files to upload to archive.org because i have no idea how CHM would stand on such |
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03:25
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dtm |
copyright until i hear back from them |
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06:55
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Nemo_bis |
dtm: yes, IA could be one such service, I'd say direct them to https://archive.org/details/partnerdocs so they ask directly |
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06:56
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Nemo_bis |
dtm: as for new contributors, the first thing to do is read the entire FAQ https://archive.org/about/faqs.php (nowadays it goes to an external domain) |
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06:59
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Nemo_bis |
Jeff's posts on the forums are always worth a read too https://archive.org/iathreads/forums.php |
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07:01
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dtm |
Nemo_bis: okay. i didn't know there were forums. |
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07:01
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dtm |
thanks |
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07:01
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dtm |
Nemo_bis: do you know if anyone has done such as CHM-to-IA export? :) |
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07:08
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Nemo_bis |
there are several entities called "computer history museum" so they tend to mix up in my memories |
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07:09
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Nemo_bis |
there is certainly at least one which had some sort of cooperation with IA, unless I dreamt it |
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07:09
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dtm |
oh of course, i thought it was unique but it's https://www.computerhistory.org/ in san jose |
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07:09
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Nemo_bis |
For more tricky documentation, users maintain a few wiki pages such as https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Internet_Archive#Uploading_to_archive.org https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:DjVu_files https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:Internet_Archive |
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07:10
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Nemo_bis |
legoktm did something there too, IIRC |
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07:10
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Nemo_bis |
(he's not in this channel now) |
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07:10
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dtm |
i'm hoping workign with IA can be not completely unlike wikipedia, because i'm already a veteran at that |
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07:11
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Nemo_bis |
well there are tons of wikipedians and wikimedians working as IA volunteers |
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07:11
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Nemo_bis |
also some former WMF employees like RobLa |
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07:12
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Nemo_bis |
It's good that the way of working is a bit different, so you can take a break from one when you're sick of it and switch to the other |
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07:14
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dtm |
right on lol |
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07:14
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dtm |
Nemo_bis: well guess what! i gotta have sources for wikipedia :) |
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07:15
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dtm |
that dang ol InternetArchiveBot is slaying urls left and right, that formerly linked to whatever website holding a PDF of an old book, in favor of archive.org |
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07:16
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dtm |
i have some unique out of print IT history books that nobody's ever heard of, so i'd like to learn how to digitalize em |
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07:17
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dtm |
i assume it'd be a phone tripod, with an app on the phone, and maybe sync to a computer app that corrects and collates them into PDF or into IA-friendly format |
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07:20
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Nemo_bis |
Oh yes, the recent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/InternetArchiveBot_3 is amazing |
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07:23
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dtm |
it's breathtaking! i was APPALLED!!!! how could all these sweeping changes be correct? and then yeah okay. |
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07:25
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dtm |
Nemo_bis: i've read the faq. i still surely do NOT understand how IA gets away with what today's copyright robber barons would consider plunder on the high seas. do they? has anyone legally challenged all their unlicensed books and ROMs? |
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07:25
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dtm |
as being simply out of print books, or abandonware software? |
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07:25
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dtm |
do they actually have a legal right to them or are they just getting away with it? how did nintendo demolish emuparadise but not IA? has nintendo tried? |
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07:26
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dtm |
it seems we've gone full sealand! :D |
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07:26
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dtm |
happily without firing a shot |
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07:29
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Nemo_bis |
Let's say that IA actually applies https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Avoid_copyright_paranoia |
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07:29
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Nemo_bis |
The main frontier now is https://controlleddigitallending.org/ |
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07:30
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dtm |
i vaguely heard something about a DMCA exemption somehow |
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07:30
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dtm |
what's that mean? is that real, and by what means? |
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07:30
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dtm |
does IA have an exemption to the DMCA? |
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07:30
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Nemo_bis |
DMCA is a mess so there's always some loophope to use either way |
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07:31
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Nemo_bis |
nice lapsus; wishful thinking loophole |
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07:31
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dtm |
ha! |
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07:31
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dtm |
so there's a real loophole? |
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07:31
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dtm |
is it because IA is categorized as a public library somehow? |
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07:33
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dtm |
and yes WMF is copyright-paranoid. omg if i write a biography, and the subject emails them a copyright release of his own self portrait, they will INFORM HIM that because it's not a selfie with his own arm connected to the handheld camera, then there had to be a second person as a photographer. they will not believe that it could have been a work-for-hire with no photographer's copyright claim or |
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07:34
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dtm |
even a copyright release to the subject. they delete ... |
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07:34
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dtm |
... the photo presumptively. |
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07:34
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dtm |
they'll just dictate presumptively that the subject's copyright claim on his own self portrait is legally invalid unless all their presumptions are proven false lol |
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07:35
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dtm |
and that's even when uploaded under the non-free photo guidelines on wikipedia.org, not on commons. |
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07:35
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Nemo_bis |
That's not WMF policy, it's Commons policy |
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07:35
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dtm |
yeah. |
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07:35
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Nemo_bis |
oh well let's not get started on en.wiki |
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07:35
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dtm |
ha |
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07:35
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Nemo_bis |
Anyway, I recommend that you read the various papers connected to https://controlleddigitallending.org/ if you're interested in the state of the art of copyright debate on this matter |
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07:35
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dtm |
well ya know, since i mention it, that was years ago and i'm willing to try again :D and escalate higher if needed. |
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07:36
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dtm |
interesting |
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07:36
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dtm |
i was born and raised in a public library |
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07:36
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dtm |
effectively |
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07:36
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dtm |
i just can't even imagine a world today where copyright was fair. the public would be *so* rich. |
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07:37
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dtm |
as well as the former copyright holders, having made their name |
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07:37
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dtm |
and reaped their return on investment for decades |
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07:38
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dtm |
Nemo_bis: so in the case of 1980s and 90s video game ROMs, most of that isn't abandonware, it's just easily accessed. do you know if major companies have issued takedown requests to IA for ROMs? |
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07:42
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Nemo_bis |
I don't remember exactly, I would assume at least someone tried |
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07:43
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Nemo_bis |
I think the bigger ones are also careful not to produce a bad precedent for themselves, so they tend to do some forum shopping and wait for the right time |
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08:12
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Nemo_bis |
dtm: and if you see what kind of materials get uploaded by Wikimedia projects users, other than for Wikisource, it's often shut down magazines or bankrupt publishers https://archive.org/details/%40nemo_bis?and[]=collection%3A"magazine_rack"&sort= https://archive.org/details/@bultro |
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08:53
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JAA |
Whoa, 'ia tasks' is suddenly working for me. That was broken for *years*. |
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09:01
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JAA |
And my uploads are much faster than they used to be. What the hell is going on? :-D |
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SketchCow |
This was a lot of writing |
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17:25
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dtm |
SketchCow: what was? |
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17:25
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dtm |
Nemo_bis: yes i am all about the old magazines and books for sourcing |
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18:10
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DFJustin |
there are takedowns for roms sometimes but worst case they just take it down |
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18:10
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DFJustin |
the world doesn't end |
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18:46
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Nemo_bis |
For the series "even worse in EU" https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/09/ag-szpunar-advises-cjeu-to-rule-that.html |
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18:54
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JAA |
That was an interesting read, but I don't really understand what it means. |
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22:32
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dtm |
DFJustin: oh there are, at IA? and then 10 more are uploaded? |
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