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Raccoon |
What's the difference between these two download options? https://i.imgur.com/q7j7VsR.png |
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Nemo_bis |
Raccoon: if you click, you'll find out |
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Raccoon |
no i wont |
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Nemo_bis |
too bad |
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Raccoon |
do I really want to download two multi-gig files just to compare the contents on my end? |
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Raccoon |
or do I want to ask if someone here could tell me the difference (and purpose) between the two buttons? |
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Nemo_bis |
the buttons don't start any download if clicked |
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Raccoon |
yes they do. |
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Raccoon |
why are you trolling this channel? |
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Nemo_bis |
it's a bit hidden but you can also hover the format name above, for instance "ZIP", and then click the small arrow to see a list of files |
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Raccoon |
so, what's the difference between '123 files' and '123 original' |
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Nemo_bis |
or just go to "show all" so you see everything |
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Raccoon |
i don't want to see everything |
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Nemo_bis |
you'll understand immediately if only you look at the list of files |
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Raccoon |
i want to know why there are original files, and non-original files |
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Raccoon |
which of the files have been modified, when and why |
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Nemo_bis |
Now that's an entirely different question; let me find the link to the FAQ |
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Nemo_bis |
https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360014487651-Files-Formats-and-Derivatives-A-Basic-Guide (basic indeed) |
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Nemo_bis |
If "originals" and "all" files are the same number, most likely it means that the are no derivatives |
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Nemo_bis |
For instance https://archive.org/details/crossref-pre-1909-scholarly-works doesn't have any derivative file |
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Nemo_bis |
This is a smaller example, in case you're afraid of clicking big lists of files https://archive.org/details/wiki-anienenet_wiki (7z is never derived AFAIK) |
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Raccoon |
i see. so 'original' is what the archivist uploaded |
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Nemo_bis |
ideally but not really |
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Nemo_bis |
It makes more sense in cases like https://archive.org/details/goodytwoshoes00newyiala which belong to the standard IA scanning workflow |
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Nemo_bis |
If you just hover the button, the link tells you what formats it's going to include |
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Nemo_bis |
In the last example it's <https://archive.org/compress/goodytwoshoes00newyiala/formats=JPEG%20THUMB,ARCHIVE%20BITTORRENT,BOOK%20COVER%20IMAGE,METADATA,SINGLE%20PAGE%20PROCESSED%20JP2%20ZIP,MARC,SINGLE%20PAGE%20RAW%20JP2%20ZIP,SCRIBE%20SCANDATA%20ZIP> |
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Nemo_bis |
The button makes you download the JP2 images even when they're actually derivatives, like in https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_1kZYlhGLdCcC <https://archive.org/compress/bub_gb_1kZYlhGLdCcC/formats=ITEM%20TILE,IMAGE%20CONTAINER%20PDF,ARCHIVE%20BITTORRENT,METADATA,GENERIC%20RAW%20BOOK%20TAR> |
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Nemo_bis |
So in the end you can only look at the list of files and decide what you need... |
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