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[13:38] <Raccoon> What's the difference between these two download options?  https://i.imgur.com/q7j7VsR.png
[14:01] <Nemo_bis> Raccoon: if you click, you'll find out
[14:01] <Raccoon> no i wont
[14:01] <Nemo_bis> too bad
[14:02] <Raccoon> do I really want to download two multi-gig files just to compare the contents on my end?
[14:02] <Raccoon> or do I want to ask if someone here could tell me the difference (and purpose) between the two buttons?
[14:03] <Nemo_bis> the buttons don't start any download if clicked
[14:04] <Raccoon> yes they do.
[14:04] <Raccoon> why are you trolling this channel?
[14:05] <Nemo_bis> it's a bit hidden but you can also hover the format name above, for instance "ZIP", and then click the small arrow to see a list of files
[14:07] <Raccoon> so, what's the difference between '123 files' and '123 original'
[14:07] <Nemo_bis> or just go to "show all" so you see everything
[14:07] <Raccoon> i don't want to see everything
[14:07] <Nemo_bis> you'll understand immediately if only you look at the list of files
[14:07] <Raccoon> i want to know why there are original files, and non-original files
[14:08] <Raccoon> which of the files have been modified, when and why
[14:08] <Nemo_bis> Now that's an entirely different question; let me find the link to the FAQ
[14:09] <Nemo_bis> https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360014487651-Files-Formats-and-Derivatives-A-Basic-Guide (basic indeed)
[14:11] <Nemo_bis> If "originals" and "all" files are the same number, most likely it means that the are no derivatives
[14:12] <Nemo_bis> For instance https://archive.org/details/crossref-pre-1909-scholarly-works doesn't have any derivative file
[14:13] <Nemo_bis> This is a smaller example, in case you're afraid of clicking big lists of files https://archive.org/details/wiki-anienenet_wiki (7z is never derived AFAIK)
[14:15] <Raccoon> i see.  so 'original' is what the archivist uploaded
[14:17] <Nemo_bis> ideally but not really
[14:18] <Nemo_bis> It makes more sense in cases like https://archive.org/details/goodytwoshoes00newyiala which belong to the standard IA scanning workflow
[14:19] <Nemo_bis> If you just hover the button, the link tells you what formats it's going to include
[14:20] <Nemo_bis> In the last example it's <https://archive.org/compress/goodytwoshoes00newyiala/formats=JPEG%20THUMB,ARCHIVE%20BITTORRENT,BOOK%20COVER%20IMAGE,METADATA,SINGLE%20PAGE%20PROCESSED%20JP2%20ZIP,MARC,SINGLE%20PAGE%20RAW%20JP2%20ZIP,SCRIBE%20SCANDATA%20ZIP>
[14:20] <Nemo_bis> The button makes you download the JP2 images even when they're actually derivatives, like in https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_1kZYlhGLdCcC <https://archive.org/compress/bub_gb_1kZYlhGLdCcC/formats=ITEM%20TILE,IMAGE%20CONTAINER%20PDF,ARCHIVE%20BITTORRENT,METADATA,GENERIC%20RAW%20BOOK%20TAR>
[14:21] <Nemo_bis> So in the end you can only look at the list of files and decide what you need...
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