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I've come to see several fully scanned books in Internet Archive that are only available to be borrowed. What is the rationale of this ? Shouldn't all those books be there for free so knowledge could be equally shared around the whole world ? |
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09:00
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ivan |
controlled digital lending |
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X-Scale |
Why are some books there for free and others for lending ? What defines the decision ? |
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ivan |
I assume the free ones are public domain or sufficiently out of print |
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ivan |
or uploaded by Some Guy instead of IA |
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I see. And are the status of those for lendign books review from time to time ? Because I see books there that are pretty much ouf ot print but still for lending on IA. Two examples of two different scannings of the same book: |
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X-Scale |
https://archive.org/details/digitalcircuitsm00herb/ |
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https://archive.org/details/digitalcircuitsm00taub/ |
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09:06
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Raccoon |
And even public libraries lending e-books have to go through tons of hassle with publishers, spending as much as $60 for a title that only 52 patrons can "check out", or 2 years (whichever comes first), before the license is expired. |
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ivan |
I assume that almost everything getting scanned en masse now is getting the Borrow treatment |
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:/ |
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09:07
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ivan |
anyway, the book viewer delivers JPEGs to your browser |
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ivan |
gm mogrify -density 500x500 *.jpg |
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ivan |
img2pdf --output out.pdf *.jpg |
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ivan |
ocrmypdf out.pdf out_ocr.pdf |
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X-Scale |
thank you, ivan, for the workaround |
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But don't books, which are available for digital lending, only give you a small a limited number of preview pages on the browser ? |
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small and limited rather |
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This is a very sad trend though |
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ivan |
search openlibrary and see if the whole thing is available |
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ivan |
I've never seen it give me a loan on a subset of pages |
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ivan |
afaik the preview pages are what you get without the loan |
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Ah...that makes sense. |
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X-Scale: that book is from 1982 which means it is still under copyright protection, even though it's out of print |
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astrid |
copyright protection is almost all printed materials newer than 1923 |
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astrid |
yes it's that bad |
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DFJustin |
the out of print thing only applies up to 1941 https://blog.archive.org/2017/10/10/books-from-1923-to-1941-now-liberated/ |
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Oh my. That's terrible news. So, almost all Internet Archive books related to the digital culture will not be free anymore and be changed into borrow status ? I mean, those books uploaded by individual users. |
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eientei95 |
X-Scale: Not all. A couple I've seen were released as GPL0 by the author |
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eientei95 |
https://archive.org/details/exploringinterne00mala https://archive.org/details/mdp.39015041021836 |
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DFJustin |
user uploads can't be changed to borrow-only because borrowing is only possible when IA has a physical book in storage |
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DFJustin |
as per the DMCA, archive.org is not liable for what users upload unless they ignore takedown requests |
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DFJustin |
oh they left |
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