[03:11] *** DogsRNice has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:27] *** qw3rty has joined #internetarchive [04:34] *** qw3rty2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 745 seconds) [08:11] *** deevious has joined #internetarchive [08:59] I've come to see several fully scanned books in Internet Archive that are only available to be borrowed. What is the rationale of this ? Shouldn't all those books be there for free so knowledge could be equally shared around the whole world ? [09:00] controlled digital lending [09:02] Why are some books there for free and others for lending ? What defines the decision ? [09:02] I assume the free ones are public domain or sufficiently out of print [09:03] or uploaded by Some Guy instead of IA [09:05] I see. And are the status of those for lendign books review from time to time ? Because I see books there that are pretty much ouf ot print but still for lending on IA. Two examples of two different scannings of the same book: [09:05] https://archive.org/details/digitalcircuitsm00herb/ [09:05] https://archive.org/details/digitalcircuitsm00taub/ [09:06] And even public libraries lending e-books have to go through tons of hassle with publishers, spending as much as $60 for a title that only 52 patrons can "check out", or 2 years (whichever comes first), before the license is expired. [09:06] I assume that almost everything getting scanned en masse now is getting the Borrow treatment [09:07] :/ [09:07] anyway, the book viewer delivers JPEGs to your browser [09:07] gm mogrify -density 500x500 *.jpg [09:07] img2pdf --output out.pdf *.jpg [09:07] ocrmypdf out.pdf out_ocr.pdf [09:11] thank you, ivan, for the workaround [09:27] But don't books, which are available for digital lending, only give you a small a limited number of preview pages on the browser ? [09:27] small and limited rather [09:41] This is a very sad trend though [09:45] search openlibrary and see if the whole thing is available [09:45] I've never seen it give me a loan on a subset of pages [09:45] afaik the preview pages are what you get without the loan [09:46] Ah...that makes sense. [11:43] *** odemg has joined #internetarchive [14:17] *** Flashfire has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:17] *** kiska has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:18] *** Flashfire has joined #internetarchive [14:18] *** kiska has joined #internetarchive [14:18] *** Fusl sets mode: +o kiska [14:18] *** Fusl_ sets mode: +o kiska [16:38] X-Scale: that book is from 1982 which means it is still under copyright protection, even though it's out of print [16:40] copyright protection is almost all printed materials newer than 1923 [16:40] yes it's that bad [16:42] the out of print thing only applies up to 1941 https://blog.archive.org/2017/10/10/books-from-1923-to-1941-now-liberated/ [18:24] Oh my. That's terrible news. So, almost all Internet Archive books related to the digital culture will not be free anymore and be changed into borrow status ? I mean, those books uploaded by individual users. [21:44] X-Scale: Not all. A couple I've seen were released as GPL0 by the author [21:48] https://archive.org/details/exploringinterne00mala https://archive.org/details/mdp.39015041021836 [22:47] *** X-Scale has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [22:55] user uploads can't be changed to borrow-only because borrowing is only possible when IA has a physical book in storage [22:56] as per the DMCA, archive.org is not liable for what users upload unless they ignore takedown requests [22:56] oh they left [23:25] *** Smiley has joined #internetarchive [23:29] *** SmileyG has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out)