#jsmess 2016-08-10,Wed

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02:14 🔗 SketchCow Guess who's back
02:15 🔗 SketchCow 15 miles of walking later
02:17 🔗 SketchCow OK, so next I'm going to dump all the brokeys out of amiga pages into the workbench.
02:17 🔗 SketchCow I will also likely end up moving all the "eyes" ones at once and putting them away.
02:18 🔗 db48x eyes?
02:24 🔗 SketchCow there's a set that boot but then need workbench
02:24 🔗 SketchCow we don't have workbench, we lose
02:24 🔗 SketchCow this...round
02:24 🔗 * SketchCow eyes narrow
02:28 🔗 SketchCow Anyway, going to do this as fast possible
02:29 🔗 SketchCow Throw everything on the workbench for a big fat snuggle.
02:39 🔗 db48x ah
02:39 🔗 db48x jvilk emailed me
02:49 🔗 SketchCow has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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03:27 🔗 SketchCow Split off 350 and counting
03:54 🔗 db48x aha, jvilk may have solved it
04:02 🔗 db48x yep
04:02 🔗 db48x and he gave me a way to test it on demand, because it has been failing like this in private browsing mode too
04:05 🔗 db48x SketchCow: the fix is in the loaderlab :)
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04:13 🔗 bai woo
04:13 🔗 bai gj jvilk
04:15 🔗 db48x I love this: https://github.com/jvilk/BrowserFS/blob/master/src/backend/AsyncMirror.ts#L153
04:16 🔗 bai that was being called by OverlayFS.init() right?
04:16 🔗 bai initialize() rather
04:17 🔗 db48x yea, deltaFS is an AsyncMirrorFS, so OverlayFS was trying to use it and finding that it wasn't initialized
04:17 🔗 db48x because of one IndexedDB problem or another
04:38 🔗 bai ah hah
04:38 🔗 bai well, glad you and he were able to track it down
05:01 🔗 SketchCow db48x: Sadly, I can't activate it until tomorrow.
05:02 🔗 db48x noooo
05:03 🔗 SketchCow I'll ask, but it's had to get people in to dump things
05:04 🔗 db48x no worries
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06:12 🔗 Ipggi One thing I've been meaning to ask. With the compiled em-dosbox hosted at https://archive.org/details/emularity_engine_emdosbox, is there are reason for its emulated RAM to be capped at under 16MB, maybe a browser restriction?
06:13 🔗 db48x there are browser limitations, but they're higher than that
06:13 🔗 SketchCow https://www.n3rdabl3.co.uk/2016/08/09/160244/internet-archive-now-10000-amiga-games-play/
06:14 🔗 db48x it was probably chosen as a nice round number that would have been anywhere from decent to extravagent for systems of the era
06:14 🔗 SketchCow "Forever the bringer of nostalgia"
06:14 🔗 db48x nice
06:18 🔗 SketchCow OK, wrecked the body on today's 15 mile walk.
06:18 🔗 SketchCow Going to rest.
06:18 🔗 SketchCow We're really in good shape with amiga!
06:18 🔗 db48x heh, except for the fullscreen button
06:18 🔗 SketchCow I hope naTmeg adds more features and I'll enjoy adding piles of cool things to the showcase.
06:19 🔗 SketchCow The really "Let's do it!!" people have been focused on other features, so I get it.
06:19 🔗 SketchCow Nobody touches the UI but tracey
06:20 🔗 SketchCow I'm... starting to wonder if mouse buttons are reversed.
06:20 🔗 SketchCow ops please
06:21 🔗 SketchCow more tomorrow
06:22 🔗 Ipggi SketchCow: nice work on that little hike btw, I usually get over it by 7
06:22 🔗 Ipggi db48x: ahh okay, i encounted some more modern dos demos that complain about a lack of available ram.
06:23 🔗 db48x in that case we should look at providing a config with more ram
06:29 🔗 Ipggi personally I'd like to have the full 64MB available at compile and then use dosbox.conf to lower it to 16 or whatnot?
06:30 🔗 db48x it'll still have to allocate the whole 64mb array
06:31 🔗 Ipggi Oh so that's the issue :)
06:37 🔗 db48x yea
06:38 🔗 db48x of course, it's possible that it's adjustable at run time and we're just not doing it right
06:40 🔗 db48x I must sleep; back later
06:59 🔗 bai SketchCow, the games I played seemed to be mapping left and right mouse correctly - but I did notice a few which specifically wanted right click for basic interactions, maybe back then it was just normal enough to use either
06:59 🔗 bai that's half the fun of these, seeing how human-computer interaction has evolved over the years
08:38 🔗 Vito` what's the other half
08:47 🔗 yipdw sets mode: +o SketchCow
10:15 🔗 bai Vito`: the inevitable outcry of "how can they do this, is this even legal???"
10:15 🔗 bai we did it for the lulz
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13:18 🔗 SketchCow https://twitter.com/patrickkettner/status/763228303058579456
13:36 🔗 SketchCow OK, going to work a little today on making a more generalized amiga.
13:50 🔗 SketchCow Well, and a pile of other things.
15:43 🔗 SketchCow Waiting for fix to go in, because another screenshotter went south
15:43 🔗 SketchCow I will bring it up soon
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16:16 🔗 naTmeg evening
17:47 🔗 db48x naTmeg: morning
17:47 🔗 naTmeg db48x
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20:46 🔗 SketchCow New loader installed
20:59 🔗 SketchCow ....and the problem is solved, thank you
20:59 🔗 bai sweet
21:09 🔗 SketchCow Yeah
21:09 🔗 SketchCow Now building the list of showcase items
21:12 🔗 naTmeg fixed something in loader?
21:14 🔗 SketchCow Yes, it was the thing where due to a BrowserFS thing, it wouldn't clear stuff out properly and break.
21:14 🔗 SketchCow And then you could never play Amiga again.
21:14 🔗 naTmeg oh good
21:16 🔗 SketchCow so, my main goals with amiga right now are:
21:16 🔗 SketchCow - Find really nice items for http://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_amiga_showcase
21:16 🔗 SketchCow - Add another few hundred of these things
21:16 🔗 SketchCow - Re-screenshot a lot of ones that just got the "orange problem"
21:16 🔗 SketchCow - Work with naTmeg at some point to devise other possible machines/settings, to re-do broke ones
21:17 🔗 SketchCow - Write our big announcement for probably Friday
21:17 🔗 naTmeg sounds great. you are doing a very good job here!
21:18 🔗 SketchCow When The Fight comes, I want it something worth fighting for.
21:18 🔗 naTmeg :)
21:18 🔗 SketchCow Plus we're getting hundreds of thousands of people using it now.
21:19 🔗 SketchCow http://www.sopitas.com/652008-videojuegos-arcadia-maquinitas-amiga-gratis-navegador/
21:24 🔗 bai is there a separate amiga demo showcase already?
21:24 🔗 naTmeg maybe something for the showcase, does play very well
21:24 🔗 naTmeg https://archive.org/details/Pinball_Fantasies_demo-playable_1992_21st_Century_17-Bit_Software
21:25 🔗 bai and what was the shareware scene like on amiga?
21:26 🔗 bai whenever people talk about this in the news or on social media the conversation normally revolves around the commercial stuff, and "how can they do this??" type stuff, but once you explain that there are demos and shareware mixed in people start to go "oh huh, ok..."
21:29 🔗 naTmeg yep, many think IA does host illegal stuff or soft that isn't abandoned. i read plenty of these statements too
21:30 🔗 naTmeg SketchCow did a nice job i sorting things out
21:31 🔗 SketchCow Oh, let's be clear, IA is pushing boundaries.
21:31 🔗 SketchCow I mean, look at your emulator
21:31 🔗 SketchCow It's like we're driving a race car in the Formula 1 that is still glowing from the car robots who assembled it 8 minutes ago
21:31 🔗 naTmeg heh
21:36 🔗 bai I've been explaining how archive.org is a library, and this is like going to your local library and checking out books, movies, and audio cds - much of that is copyrighted information, and the author gets nothing additional when someone checks out their work - or you could go to a book store and pay for it and own it. the two aren't at odds, they're complementary
21:41 🔗 SketchCow And how's that going.
21:42 🔗 SketchCow OK, I rewrote my "delete all the oranges" script so it's better and more efficient.
21:42 🔗 SketchCow So I can re-run it against all the collections
21:42 🔗 naTmeg bai: good statement and true. it's even positive, because it will most likely increase sales
21:42 🔗 bai SketchCow: well these are just irc conversations, I'm being very clear that I am in no way a spokesperson for archive.org :D
21:43 🔗 bai people generally respond positively to that message though
21:43 🔗 naTmeg SketchCow: whats that orange-thing, i read sometimes about it?
21:43 🔗 SketchCow When our thing was failing, it'd blow out a screenshot without actually running the program.
21:43 🔗 SketchCow So it screenshotted the thing without having a useful shot.
21:43 🔗 SketchCow Because of a trick we're doing, it's orange.
21:44 🔗 naTmeg ic thx
21:44 🔗 bai generally people are like "well it's cool what they're doing, but I hope they've got good lawyers"
21:44 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_amiga_collections?&sort=titleSorter&page=7
21:45 🔗 SketchCow You can see the orange ones here and there.
21:45 🔗 SketchCow (They're deleting though, so look fast.)
21:46 🔗 naTmeg ahh yes :)
21:49 🔗 naTmeg bai: what IA currently does is a shock for the amiga and especially for the owners. never were so much titles 1: online, 2: to play and 3: to download.
21:51 🔗 db48x ok, I made full screen work
21:51 🔗 db48x gotta fix the button though, so I'll email Hank again
22:04 🔗 bai naTmeg: there's also an option to set something as "stream only" so people can play it (eg, "check it out") but not download it, that can be set per-item
22:06 🔗 naTmeg bai: i know of that option but thought it would make problems that the emul could not be started when active.
22:06 🔗 bai well technically speaking it all works exaactly the same, it just doesn't have a download link :)
22:07 🔗 naTmeg ok may i got something wrong then :)
22:09 🔗 db48x there was definitely some problem when SketchCow tried it, but it wasn't a problem in the emulator
22:09 🔗 db48x I think it just didn't add the emulator to the page
22:09 🔗 bai ah, weird. sorry, wasn't aware there was an active bug
22:09 🔗 db48x it was a surprise :)
22:14 🔗 SketchCow I now have 4 screenshotters aimed at https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_amiga_collections
22:15 🔗 SketchCow (A pile of items were added.)
22:18 🔗 SketchCow https://ia601507.us.archive.org/28/items/NewsFlash_Issue_06_1989_UGA_17-Bit_Software/screenshot_00.jpg
22:21 🔗 SketchCow As discussed, I'll be darking out a lot of Cat-eye screens shortly.
22:21 🔗 SketchCow That will help with sortability.
22:22 🔗 SketchCow I can ALMOST script it. I should try.
22:22 🔗 SketchCow An instant cleanout of such a thing would save me hours of clicking.
22:24 🔗 naTmeg arg nap-time again, cya tomorrow
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22:26 🔗 SketchCow 5fd4ff181ef8bf34b62bdac67db62a9d cat eye!
22:26 🔗 SketchCow Man, he runs :)
22:44 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/amiga_nonworking
22:44 🔗 SketchCow MARCH OF THE CATEYES
23:55 🔗 SketchCow https://twitter.com/petecarr/status/762974345337704448
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