#jsmess 2019-04-20,Sat

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06:27 🔗 SketchCow OK, time to crush on vmac
06:27 🔗 SketchCow While we're here.
06:27 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/AppleMacintoshSystem753
06:27 🔗 SketchCow Works.
06:27 🔗 SketchCow Resolution seems weird.
06:27 🔗 SketchCow But it IS set to 640x480 just like the emulation.
06:28 🔗 SketchCow https://ia801906.us.archive.org/7/items/emularity_engine_v1/vmac-colormac.json
06:35 🔗 db48x resolution looks good to me, but only if I zoom to 80%
06:38 🔗 SketchCow Hey, help me with this if you have a few.
06:38 🔗 SketchCow Looks like:
06:38 🔗 SketchCow 1. it needs _ext, _start, and emulator or it doesn't go
06:38 🔗 SketchCow 2. I don't know the secret setting for "put this in the drive"
06:38 🔗 SketchCow It LOOKS like you have to do disk1, disk2, disk3
06:39 🔗 SketchCow Only 7 of these are in right now.
06:39 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/search.php?query=emulator%3Avmac-colormac
06:40 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/LeisureSuitLarry1Macintosh fails, not sure why
06:40 🔗 SketchCow Emulator starts though
06:45 🔗 db48x yes, emulator, emulator_ext, and emulator_start are all needed
06:46 🔗 db48x I should implement some way to let you specify disk{1..6}, but I haven't yet
06:46 🔗 db48x vmac_disk_{1..6}, perhaps?
06:48 🔗 db48x LeisureSuitLarry1Macintosh is failing because it can't find a file
06:48 🔗 db48x it doesn't say what file though
06:49 🔗 db48x oh, nevermind
06:49 🔗 db48x that's not related
06:50 🔗 SketchCow As usual, it would be good to be able to do the two settings, however they are, to go "And this is the hard drive and this is the floppy"
06:50 🔗 SketchCow Which it SEEMS to deal with straight, like disk1 and disk2 and it just makes it happen
06:51 🔗 SketchCow So yeah, of the 7:
06:51 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/AppleMacintoshSystem753 works
06:51 🔗 db48x I don't want to limit you to just one floppy, since vmac supports six
06:52 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/applekwaker_yopmail_Hdd1 works
06:52 🔗 SketchCow Both use the three settings, including _start, and boot and all.
06:53 🔗 SketchCow (We'll leave resolution to the side for now)
06:53 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/colormac_test2 works
06:54 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/colormac_test works but it's the same disk image.
06:55 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/vmac_bachman is me, I added it an hour ago, supposedly vmac could handle .zip images but f it, no reason
06:56 🔗 SketchCow It just blacks out to a Disk X, gives up, but again, I was fucking around.
06:56 🔗 SketchCow Let me dark in fact
06:57 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/netscape-mac is the one that would be rewarding if we got it working.
06:57 🔗 SketchCow I'm going to go see if I can make one of the classic ones color.
06:59 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings fail
07:00 🔗 SketchCow Needs a disk1 and a disk2
07:02 🔗 SketchCow So https://archive.org/details/netscape-mac and https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings are the two.
07:04 🔗 db48x I see only one img in mac_lemmings
07:05 🔗 SketchCow Pce_drive_fd1mac_system2.0/System2.0.img
07:05 🔗 SketchCow Pce_drive_fd2mac_lemmings.img
07:05 🔗 SketchCow mac_system2.0/System2.0.img
07:06 🔗 db48x ah
07:13 🔗 SketchCow So, I won't touch those two so you can do experiments.
07:13 🔗 SketchCow it kills Lemmings for now, but for a good cause.
07:15 🔗 db48x hrm. my first experiment didn't work
07:16 🔗 db48x https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings&external_js=1
07:17 🔗 SketchCow Let me see if I set netscape to it
07:18 🔗 SketchCow 150mb download, that won't get boring
07:18 🔗 SketchCow (In this case, the boot drive image is there with it)
07:20 🔗 db48x no luck though
07:20 🔗 db48x it's possible that the disk images just aren't compatible
07:21 🔗 SketchCow Entirely possible!
07:21 🔗 SketchCow Although we have the two working ones.
07:21 🔗 db48x it's fairly picky: https://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/hardware.html#floppy_drives
07:23 🔗 SketchCow http://earlymacintosh.org/index.html see that? That's someone working wayyyyy too hard
07:27 🔗 SketchCow Oh duh, let me try referencing the boot that DOES work.
07:28 🔗 db48x that's a great webpage
07:28 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/netscape-mac&external-js=1 now loads AppleMacintoshSystem753/System7_5_3.img in
07:29 🔗 SketchCow What wins, do you think... emulator_start or vmac_disk1
07:29 🔗 SketchCow Should I make them both the same for now
07:30 🔗 db48x bit slow
07:31 🔗 db48x and then it failed
07:31 🔗 SketchCow Oh, it WILL be slow
07:31 🔗 SketchCow OK, so I KNOW that AppleMacintoshSystem753 works.
07:31 🔗 SketchCow You can test it, it works in vmac
07:31 🔗 SketchCow So should I set emulator_start to the boot disk too
07:31 🔗 db48x yea, I already tried that one
07:33 🔗 db48x well, that failed quickly
07:34 🔗 SketchCow I'm trying something
07:34 🔗 SketchCow I took the netscape IMG out of the equation entirely.
07:35 🔗 SketchCow Even with it out of the equation, the loader grabs it anyway
07:35 🔗 SketchCow Of course
07:36 🔗 SketchCow netscape is a terrible test due to the 150mb
07:36 🔗 SketchCow also: Screen looks great in Chrome, bad in firefox
07:39 🔗 db48x you can remove the emulator_ext
07:39 🔗 db48x and leave the vmac_disk_1
07:43 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/AppleMacintoshSystem753 yeah works
07:45 🔗 db48x try it on netscape
07:46 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/netscape-mac&external_js=1 fails
07:46 🔗 SketchCow I am telling it to go visit another item
07:47 🔗 SketchCow So maybe that fails
07:52 🔗 SketchCow I have to go to bed
07:52 🔗 SketchCow Do whatever you like however you like, these things weren't going anyway
07:56 🔗 db48x ah, it's vmac_disk_1
07:56 🔗 db48x not vmac_disk1
07:56 🔗 SketchCow ah
08:02 🔗 SketchCow I saw I did something and you did something so I'm absolutely not touching it
08:02 🔗 SketchCow Sorry about that.
08:06 🔗 db48x no worries :)
08:06 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings&external_js=1 fails - it does not use the identifier/name thing
08:07 🔗 db48x what do you mean by "identifier/name thing"?
08:07 🔗 SketchCow in vmac_disk_1
08:07 🔗 SketchCow Using an external item
08:08 🔗 db48x ah
08:10 🔗 SketchCow For the purposes of us not going crazy, I can always make a local copy for now
08:10 🔗 db48x ok, I don't know why it's not working
08:11 🔗 db48x it's basically running "minivmac -d /emulator --rom /emulator/rom AppleMacintoshSystem753/System7_5_3.img"
08:11 🔗 db48x I also tried "minivmac -d /emulator --rom /emulator/rom /emulator/AppleMacintoshSystem753/System7_5_3.img"
08:11 🔗 db48x the image file does exist, and it is in that directory
08:12 🔗 db48x and it's time for me to sleep
08:14 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings&external_js=1 is with the System7_5_3.img in the local directory.
08:15 🔗 db48x try swapping emulator_start to System7_5_3.img
08:16 🔗 db48x since that is actually a bootable disk
08:17 🔗 SketchCow Here we gooooo
08:20 🔗 SketchCow Chokes on the image.
08:22 🔗 SketchCow Might just choke on the image!
08:23 🔗 SketchCow going to make it live again for now
08:24 🔗 db48x it works in it's own item
08:24 🔗 db48x so I guess we need a vmac expert
08:26 🔗 SketchCow Which is working
08:26 🔗 SketchCow Oh yes I see
08:26 🔗 SketchCow I fixed lemmings.
08:26 🔗 SketchCow Black and White but working.
08:29 🔗 SketchCow So, we have vmac working, we have it booting off the right disks
08:29 🔗 SketchCow And just not using remote disks (in other items)
08:29 🔗 SketchCow And of course it is fussy about what it gets
08:43 🔗 SketchCow So:
08:43 🔗 SketchCow 1. Glad it works
08:43 🔗 SketchCow 2. We prove it works normally but not always
08:43 🔗 SketchCow 3. We of course have to craft disk images for it
08:43 🔗 SketchCow 4. It'd be nice to have the remote-access to boot drives
08:43 🔗 SketchCow but otherwise.... sexyyyyyy
15:28 🔗 SketchCow Ha ha, emulation hangover
15:42 🔗 shattered too much of good thing?
17:24 🔗 db48x no headache for me; I slept well
17:24 🔗 db48x someone left me 19 voicemail messages in spanish
17:26 🔗 db48x DELETED
20:36 🔗 SketchCow OK LET'S DOO IT
20:36 🔗 SketchCow db48x: So, we need a vmac comfortable person.
20:36 🔗 SketchCow Wake up bai too
20:36 🔗 SketchCow Also, who did the vmac work for us anyway
20:36 🔗 SketchCow Was it Sgeo_
20:38 🔗 Sgeo_ I haven't touched vmac at all. Only VICE
20:39 🔗 SketchCow OK, solid
20:48 🔗 bai hi...I also know next to nothing about macs or the emulation thereof
20:49 🔗 bai I don't remember who did all the mac stuff the first time around
21:00 🔗 SketchCow I'm going to make you work on it anyway because brilliant
21:16 🔗 db48x lol
21:18 🔗 SketchCow OK, so
21:19 🔗 SketchCow - We know it boots
21:19 🔗 SketchCow - We know it works
21:19 🔗 SketchCow - We know it's fussy with disk image formats
21:19 🔗 SketchCow Tell me if I'm wrong but the two questions remaining are:
21:19 🔗 SketchCow - Can we bring in disk images from other items (like we do elsewhere)
21:19 🔗 SketchCow - What is missing in the thing to make it load multiple floppies
21:45 🔗 SketchCow Boy, it is retro-week for me, isn't it.
21:45 🔗 SketchCow db48x: Does my list make sense?
21:45 🔗 SketchCow I'm going to pore though the logs to see who did vmac
21:45 🔗 SketchCow I think it was pengan
21:46 🔗 SketchCow This has pengan's style about it
22:11 🔗 SketchCow https://github.com/yksoft1/minivmac-em
22:11 🔗 SketchCow https://yksoft1.github.io/mvmacdemo.html
22:43 🔗 Sgeo_ Disk images from other items sounds more like an Emularity question than anything specific to vmac, I think.
22:57 🔗 db48x yes and no
22:57 🔗 db48x Emularity is downloading the disk image from the other item, and asking vmac to load it
22:57 🔗 db48x but it doesn't
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23:27 🔗 SketchCow So that's good
23:27 🔗 SketchCow In a way
23:27 🔗 SketchCow What are you calling again
23:30 🔗 SketchCow Is it in the json
23:30 🔗 SketchCow I mean, we might need to do a vmac-colormac-2drive
23:43 🔗 SketchCow If there are any arguments that don't begin with ‘-’, Mini vMac will try to mount them as disk image files.
23:44 🔗 SketchCow -d [directory_path]”: Mini vMac will use [directory_path] instead of the directory containing the application when looking for things such as the ROM or disk images named disk1.dsk, disk2.dsk and so on.
23:44 🔗 SketchCow That's it, db48x
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