[00:49] *** kripken has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:51] *** azakai has joined #jsmess [03:02] *** datajerk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 604 seconds) [03:12] *** datajerk has joined #jsmess [06:27] OK, time to crush on vmac [06:27] While we're here. [06:27] https://archive.org/details/AppleMacintoshSystem753 [06:27] Works. [06:27] Resolution seems weird. [06:27] But it IS set to 640x480 just like the emulation. [06:28] https://ia801906.us.archive.org/7/items/emularity_engine_v1/vmac-colormac.json [06:35] resolution looks good to me, but only if I zoom to 80% [06:38] Hey, help me with this if you have a few. [06:38] Looks like: [06:38] 1. it needs _ext, _start, and emulator or it doesn't go [06:38] 2. I don't know the secret setting for "put this in the drive" [06:38] It LOOKS like you have to do disk1, disk2, disk3 [06:39] Only 7 of these are in right now. [06:39] https://archive.org/search.php?query=emulator%3Avmac-colormac [06:40] https://archive.org/details/LeisureSuitLarry1Macintosh fails, not sure why [06:40] Emulator starts though [06:45] yes, emulator, emulator_ext, and emulator_start are all needed [06:46] I should implement some way to let you specify disk{1..6}, but I haven't yet [06:46] vmac_disk_{1..6}, perhaps? [06:48] LeisureSuitLarry1Macintosh is failing because it can't find a file [06:48] it doesn't say what file though [06:49] oh, nevermind [06:49] that's not related [06:50] As usual, it would be good to be able to do the two settings, however they are, to go "And this is the hard drive and this is the floppy" [06:50] Which it SEEMS to deal with straight, like disk1 and disk2 and it just makes it happen [06:51] So yeah, of the 7: [06:51] https://archive.org/details/AppleMacintoshSystem753 works [06:51] I don't want to limit you to just one floppy, since vmac supports six [06:52] https://archive.org/details/applekwaker_yopmail_Hdd1 works [06:52] Both use the three settings, including _start, and boot and all. [06:53] (We'll leave resolution to the side for now) [06:53] https://archive.org/details/colormac_test2 works [06:54] https://archive.org/details/colormac_test works but it's the same disk image. [06:55] https://archive.org/details/vmac_bachman is me, I added it an hour ago, supposedly vmac could handle .zip images but f it, no reason [06:56] It just blacks out to a Disk X, gives up, but again, I was fucking around. [06:56] Let me dark in fact [06:57] https://archive.org/details/netscape-mac is the one that would be rewarding if we got it working. [06:57] I'm going to go see if I can make one of the classic ones color. [06:59] https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings fail [07:00] Needs a disk1 and a disk2 [07:02] So https://archive.org/details/netscape-mac and https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings are the two. [07:04] I see only one img in mac_lemmings [07:05] Pce_drive_fd1mac_system2.0/System2.0.img [07:05] Pce_drive_fd2mac_lemmings.img [07:05] mac_system2.0/System2.0.img [07:06] ah [07:13] So, I won't touch those two so you can do experiments. [07:13] it kills Lemmings for now, but for a good cause. [07:15] hrm. my first experiment didn't work [07:16] https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings&external_js=1 [07:17] Let me see if I set netscape to it [07:18] 150mb download, that won't get boring [07:18] (In this case, the boot drive image is there with it) [07:20] no luck though [07:20] it's possible that the disk images just aren't compatible [07:21] Entirely possible! [07:21] Although we have the two working ones. [07:21] it's fairly picky: https://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/hardware.html#floppy_drives [07:23] http://earlymacintosh.org/index.html see that? That's someone working wayyyyy too hard [07:27] Oh duh, let me try referencing the boot that DOES work. [07:28] that's a great webpage [07:28] https://archive.org/details/netscape-mac&external-js=1 now loads AppleMacintoshSystem753/System7_5_3.img in [07:29] What wins, do you think... emulator_start or vmac_disk1 [07:29] Should I make them both the same for now [07:30] bit slow [07:31] and then it failed [07:31] Oh, it WILL be slow [07:31] OK, so I KNOW that AppleMacintoshSystem753 works. [07:31] You can test it, it works in vmac [07:31] So should I set emulator_start to the boot disk too [07:31] yea, I already tried that one [07:33] well, that failed quickly [07:34] I'm trying something [07:34] I took the netscape IMG out of the equation entirely. [07:35] Even with it out of the equation, the loader grabs it anyway [07:35] Of course [07:36] netscape is a terrible test due to the 150mb [07:36] also: Screen looks great in Chrome, bad in firefox [07:39] you can remove the emulator_ext [07:39] and leave the vmac_disk_1 [07:43] https://archive.org/details/AppleMacintoshSystem753 yeah works [07:45] try it on netscape [07:46] https://archive.org/details/netscape-mac&external_js=1 fails [07:46] I am telling it to go visit another item [07:47] So maybe that fails [07:52] I have to go to bed [07:52] Do whatever you like however you like, these things weren't going anyway [07:56] ah, it's vmac_disk_1 [07:56] not vmac_disk1 [07:56] ah [08:02] I saw I did something and you did something so I'm absolutely not touching it [08:02] Sorry about that. [08:06] no worries :) [08:06] https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings&external_js=1 fails - it does not use the identifier/name thing [08:07] what do you mean by "identifier/name thing"? [08:07] in vmac_disk_1 [08:07] Using an external item [08:08] ah [08:10] For the purposes of us not going crazy, I can always make a local copy for now [08:10] ok, I don't know why it's not working [08:11] it's basically running "minivmac -d /emulator --rom /emulator/rom AppleMacintoshSystem753/System7_5_3.img" [08:11] I also tried "minivmac -d /emulator --rom /emulator/rom /emulator/AppleMacintoshSystem753/System7_5_3.img" [08:11] the image file does exist, and it is in that directory [08:12] and it's time for me to sleep [08:14] https://archive.org/details/mac_lemmings&external_js=1 is with the System7_5_3.img in the local directory. [08:15] try swapping emulator_start to System7_5_3.img [08:16] since that is actually a bootable disk [08:17] Here we gooooo [08:20] Chokes on the image. [08:22] Might just choke on the image! [08:23] going to make it live again for now [08:24] it works in it's own item [08:24] so I guess we need a vmac expert [08:26] Which is working [08:26] Oh yes I see [08:26] I fixed lemmings. [08:26] Black and White but working. [08:29] So, we have vmac working, we have it booting off the right disks [08:29] And just not using remote disks (in other items) [08:29] And of course it is fussy about what it gets [08:43] So: [08:43] 1. Glad it works [08:43] 2. We prove it works normally but not always [08:43] 3. We of course have to craft disk images for it [08:43] 4. It'd be nice to have the remote-access to boot drives [08:43] but otherwise.... sexyyyyyy [15:28] Ha ha, emulation hangover [15:42] too much of good thing? [17:24] no headache for me; I slept well [17:24] someone left me 19 voicemail messages in spanish [17:26] DELETED [20:36] OK LET'S DOO IT [20:36] db48x: So, we need a vmac comfortable person. [20:36] Wake up bai too [20:36] Also, who did the vmac work for us anyway [20:36] Was it Sgeo_ [20:38] I haven't touched vmac at all. Only VICE [20:39] OK, solid [20:48] hi...I also know next to nothing about macs or the emulation thereof [20:49] I don't remember who did all the mac stuff the first time around [21:00] I'm going to make you work on it anyway because brilliant [21:16] lol [21:18] OK, so [21:19] - We know it boots [21:19] - We know it works [21:19] - We know it's fussy with disk image formats [21:19] Tell me if I'm wrong but the two questions remaining are: [21:19] - Can we bring in disk images from other items (like we do elsewhere) [21:19] - What is missing in the thing to make it load multiple floppies [21:45] Boy, it is retro-week for me, isn't it. [21:45] db48x: Does my list make sense? [21:45] I'm going to pore though the logs to see who did vmac [21:45] I think it was pengan [21:46] This has pengan's style about it [22:11] https://github.com/yksoft1/minivmac-em [22:11] https://yksoft1.github.io/mvmacdemo.html [22:43] Disk images from other items sounds more like an Emularity question than anything specific to vmac, I think. [22:57] yes and no [22:57] Emularity is downloading the disk image from the other item, and asking vmac to load it [22:57] but it doesn't [23:17] *** azakai has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [23:27] So that's good [23:27] In a way [23:27] What are you calling again [23:30] Is it in the json [23:30] I mean, we might need to do a vmac-colormac-2drive [23:43] If there are any arguments that don't begin with ‘-’, Mini vMac will try to mount them as disk image files. [23:44] -d [directory_path]”: Mini vMac will use [directory_path] instead of the directory containing the application when looking for things such as the ROM or disk images named disk1.dsk, disk2.dsk and so on. [23:44] That's it, db48x