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atphoenix |
hello, quick question, is there a reason some channels do not show up in a channel search? I tried searching for #urlteam (simple search in HexChat for "url" and "urlteam") but did not see it. However trying to join the channel manually brought me in here... |
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atphoenix |
hidden channels? |
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JAA |
Yeah, most channels are set to +s due to spam. |
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JAA |
Turns out that not having your channels appear in /LIST makes 99.9 % of the spam go away. |
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atphoenix |
I guess whatever works. |
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atphoenix |
second question: I have several WarriorVMs setup to do urlteam items, however they are mostly idle. They regularly report "Error communicating with tracker: 404 Client Error: No free items available currently. Don't worry; this is normal. You will be assigned items soon." |
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atphoenix |
is this expected? when I look at the tracker it seems there is a lot of work remaining... |
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atphoenix |
(at least yesterday) |
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JAA |
Yes, that's normal. |
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JAA |
Basically, there are way too few items available to your workers at any given time. |
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JAA |
There are two reasons for this: |
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I rarely see more than 1 or 2 jobs at a time. |
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JAA |
1. The tracker limits you to one item per shortener and IP address to avoid your IPs getting banned. |
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JAA |
2. The tracker limits the total number of items per shortener to avoid overloading the shortening service. |
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Somebody2 |
atphoenix: we'd love help adding more shorteners. it's pretty simple and (hopefully) clearly documented on the wiki page |
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atphoenix |
Is this effort done via what basically amounts to a bruteforce namespace search? Or is it picking up lists of issued shortened URLs from somewhere? |
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Datechnom |
JAA i've noticed over the past few days that the amount of URL's being queries has halved. I assume this is due to the tracker being overloaded or more limiting? |
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JAA |
atphoenix: Correct, we're doing a bruteforce search. |
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Datechnom: No idea. Could also be that the tracker is too slow at generating new items due to that load. (No, item generation doesn't exist for other projects, but here we can do this generically unlike for other projects.) |
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Datechnom |
Thanks for letting me know. I have 9 servers (running different pub ip's) and havent seen in the last 2-3 days 25% less queries per min |
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Datechnom |
Might just be the tracker struggling |
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atphoenix |
Seems to me that app plugins for Firefox/Thunderbird/Chrome could help find these during live web usage. Or perhaps there is a way to get a feed from archive.org of the short URLs it has encountered during crawls? |
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atphoenix |
I know of another shortener not on the wiki: z.umn.edu It's used for UMN related things. |
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atphoenix |
they made a video skit promoting it |
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atphoenix |
btw tracker says "Sorry, live stat updates is currently unavailable." |
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atphoenix |
came back |
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atphoenix it takes a little while to load |
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Datechnom |
Tracker is always under heavy load |
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atphoenix |
as a brute force search, does anything that doesn't resolve today go back into the search pool with the idea it may get assigned by the shortened URL provider later? |
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JAA |
Nope, we're doing one scan across all IDs for each shortener. We might rerun the scan for a shortener after a while, but that would again cover all IDs. |
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JAA |
Regarding browser addons or WBM extraction, those would be woefully incomplete to the point that it's basically useless. |
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atphoenix |
incomplete, yes, but presumably they'd be from all over the search space. Or are we see that the search space tends to be pretty dense/sequential? |
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JAA |
Depends entirely on the shortener. Some use random IDs from some ID space, others are sequential. |
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JAA |
That's exactly the kind of information needed to add a new shortener to the tracker, by the way. |
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JAA |
ID space, response codes on existing and non-existing IDs, etc. |
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atphoenix |
what is 'WBM'? |
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Flashfire |
Way back machine |
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atphoenix |
the thought on addon or a WBM feed is that it catches real world examples where the shortener has actually been used, and seen, by some user or a spider. |
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atphoenix |
I read on the project wiki that it appears some shorteners drop their older shortened URLs. "Appears to delete/terminate short urls after a certain date has passed." for 2-gp. Have we seen cases of shortened URLs being reused for different destinations? |
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atphoenix |
logging the date on which the URL resolved a certain way would protect against that |
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JAA |
Lots of things could be improved about this project. In particular, we should really archive all of this as WARCs rather than writing out text files. |
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JAA |
If you'd like to work on those things, PRs are highly welcome. |
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atphoenix |
PR = Problem Reports (PRs)? as in the FreeBSD definition of PR? https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/pr-guidelines/article.html |
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JAA |
Pull Requests, specifically on GitHub for this project. |
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JAA |
The two repositories for this are https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/terroroftinytown and https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/terroroftinytown-client-grab |
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atphoenix |
thanks |
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