#warrior 2014-09-09,Tue

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00:04 🔗 chfoo if you reboot your warrior, you should see a purple envelope indicator now and clicking on it should display the 'about' tab with the announcements.
00:05 🔗 chfoo the announcements are coming from projects.json
00:08 🔗 chfoo also notable is anthonyeden contribution to show the task counters at the top of the project page
00:16 🔗 aaaaaaaaa nice
00:18 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Better than I could have done. Especially that fast.
00:48 🔗 Rotab did the warrior just force reboot?
00:49 🔗 aaaaaaaaa it does that once a week.
00:50 🔗 aaaaaaaaa https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit/blob/master/seesaw/warrior.py#L681
00:51 🔗 Rotab oh
01:52 🔗 GitHub35 [13seesaw-kit] 15anthonyeden opened pull request #68: Add time indicator to each item. Shows how long it's been running. (06master...06master) 02https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit/pull/68
12:11 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: no orangered? :P
12:12 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: hold on, you need to take an extra action to view announcements?
14:47 🔗 chfoo joepie91: i realized that having a banner at the top will confuse users with the "no connection with warrior" error message
14:50 🔗 chfoo also in my opinion, a persistent message will be less likely be read. a user clicking indicator has a high chance that the user is interested in reading it
14:54 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: so just relocate the notification then? an indicator means that the majority of users will *not* click it, which defeats the point of it being a broadcast as such :P
14:54 🔗 chfoo i don't know where to put it
14:55 🔗 joepie91 in the project box?
14:55 🔗 joepie91 hold
14:55 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: can you make me a screenshot of a warrior running a project
14:55 🔗 joepie91 so I can draw on it
14:55 🔗 joepie91 can't currently afford the RAM to spin up a VM
14:55 🔗 joepie91 :P
14:56 🔗 chfoo ok, give me a sec
14:56 🔗 chfoo joepie91: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/672132/archiveteam/Screenshot%20from%202014-09-09%2010%3A56%3A03.png
14:58 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: http://owely.com/011LRn8
14:58 🔗 joepie91 move the website/leaderboard links and description up a bit
14:58 🔗 joepie91 put some kind of colored-background notification bar under it, like the rectangle
14:59 🔗 joepie91 when there is a notification
14:59 🔗 joepie91 leave it white otherwise
14:59 🔗 chfoo but there's not enough space in that header
14:59 🔗 joepie91 ... how isn't there?
14:59 🔗 joepie91 ideally your notifications are a single sentence anyway, so it'd fit horizontally
14:59 🔗 joepie91 vertically, it fits even if you don't move the rest up, but it would look misaligned
15:00 🔗 joepie91 if the notifications are larger, only display the first X words/characters
15:00 🔗 chfoo let me try a real project
15:00 🔗 joepie91 which still allows to either catch somebody's attention or make somebody go "meh, not something I need to care about"
15:00 🔗 joepie91 without having to explicitly click through
15:01 🔗 joepie91 (sidenote: text in the 'task status summary' thingies is a little misaligned vertically)
15:01 🔗 joepie91 (by 2px or something)
15:07 🔗 chfoo for twitch, there was the countdown timer. the title was 5 words and it pushed the links onto the second row. the description was ~15 words which overflowed the "collapse" toggle box underneath the image.
15:10 🔗 chfoo this only happens if you don't have the window maximized though
15:11 🔗 chfoo the warrior ui is a pain to work with since all the positions are hard coded in css
15:14 🔗 chfoo ah, i got it. show only a few words but clicking on it will bring up the about tab with the full message
15:14 🔗 * joepie91 is still a bit confused
15:19 🔗 chfoo joepie91: what i mean is that the header doesn't handle things gracefully when there isn't enough space: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/672132/archiveteam/Screenshot%20from%202014-09-09%2011%3A17%3A12.png
15:19 🔗 chfoo but i understand that is an unusual situation
15:21 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: there's some very fun CSS properties involving ellipsis that could help there :)
15:23 🔗 chfoo if only it were that simple. if you inspect the warrior page, you'd find the projects page is margin-left: 175px;
15:24 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: I'm sure something can be done with it :P
15:26 🔗 chfoo maybe the warrior ui needs a new look
15:30 🔗 joepie91 nah
15:30 🔗 joepie91 the look is fine
15:30 🔗 joepie91 good, even
15:31 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: people understand how to use it without complex instructions, and the only complaint is the errors that show up in the log that aren't actually errors (which the notification thing should help with)
15:31 🔗 joepie91 that's a pretty good score, and I'd not change it unless absolutely necessary :P
15:43 🔗 chfoo python 2.6 forever :)
15:54 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Maybe the mail icon should fade in and out slowly? It would make new users more likely to click it.
15:55 🔗 joepie91 aaaaaaaaa: they'll just click it to get rid of it, then close the page again without reading :)
15:56 🔗 joepie91 intrusive things don't work, they just teach the user to find the quickest way to get rid of it
15:56 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Like the jumping dog effect on OS X.
15:56 🔗 joepie91 preferably without giving any attention to the thing in question, because it is now a hate-able object
15:56 🔗 joepie91 this is why I propose an always-visible notification
15:57 🔗 joepie91 doesn't require user interaction, removes the friction for reading it (no cognitive load because you don't need to decide whether to click the envelope or not)
15:57 🔗 joepie91 does not present itself as something to route around
15:57 🔗 joepie91 also not familiar with a 'jumping dog effect' :)
15:59 🔗 aaaaaaaaa see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKMJ_I3gMIA the print monitor is trying to notify them of a problem
16:00 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Maybe calling it the jumping dog is not as widespread as I thought.
16:00 🔗 joepie91 just not an OS X user :)
16:00 🔗 joepie91 and heh
16:00 🔗 joepie91 that would annoy the living hell out of me
16:01 🔗 joepie91 then again, I also have a strongly adverse reaction to blinking taskbar buttons
16:01 🔗 joepie91 it's a reason for me to literally replace my 'active applications' dock/bar with a different one
16:01 🔗 joepie91 if I can't turn it off
16:01 🔗 joepie91 (which is exactly what I've done in XFCE)
16:01 🔗 joepie91 (exchanged it for dockbarx)
16:01 🔗 aaaaaaaaa in earlier versions, you had to click the actual item, so if you clicked where it usually is when it is mid-air it would get focus
16:01 🔗 aaaaaaaaa err, not get focus
16:02 🔗 joepie91 did I mention how mindnumbingly boring implementing an audit log is
16:04 🔗 aaaaaaaaa why? what makes it especially bad?
16:04 🔗 joepie91 because it comes down to dumb data shovelling
16:04 🔗 joepie91 and fussing about with relationships between items
16:04 🔗 joepie91 and triple checking absolutely everything
16:05 🔗 joepie91 there's absolutely no interesting problem to solve (we've solved the problem of 'display a table of data on a screen' for, what, the past 30 years?)
16:05 🔗 joepie91 and it's incredibly repetitive work that requires a lot of attention and care
16:05 🔗 joepie91 much more care than any other aspect
16:05 🔗 joepie91 because if your audit log misses an entry, you have a Problem with a capital P
16:06 🔗 joepie91 as a bonus, it's near impossible to generalize it into a reusable blob of code
16:06 🔗 joepie91 without making it unusable for end users
16:06 🔗 joepie91 so you end up doing all of the above for /every single project that needs an audit log/, over and over again
16:06 🔗 joepie91 :|
16:07 🔗 joepie91 I like engineering, but I hate programming, so to say
16:07 🔗 joepie91 it mostly just comes down to being a typist with a slightly different character set and vocabulary
16:07 🔗 joepie91 hence, boring
16:07 🔗 joepie91 :P
16:07 🔗 joepie91 cc aaaaaaaaa
16:09 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Oh, that makes sense. You can't really let things just flow.
16:09 🔗 joepie91 pretty much
16:25 🔗 chfoo joepie91: i'm looking at the html and it seems like the header space is unique per tab
16:26 🔗 chfoo did you mean to say that the message is to be displayed only on the current projects tab?
16:27 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: no, on the page that you screenshotted
16:27 🔗 joepie91 where it shows the current worker logs
16:27 🔗 joepie91 the suggestion was a per-project message thing :P
16:27 🔗 chfoo ah, the message i have set up is meant to be global
16:28 🔗 joepie91 aha.
16:28 🔗 joepie91 didn't I specify per-project in the ticket?
16:28 🔗 chfoo but if we want per project messages, won't it be easier to just edit the html in the pipeline?
16:30 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: does it update that with a reasonable frequency...?
16:30 🔗 joepie91 I thought that was only updated on pipeline updates
16:30 🔗 chfoo it checks every hour
16:30 🔗 chfoo let me confirm
16:31 🔗 chfoo yes, it does a git fetch every hour and then starts the new code as the selected project
16:32 🔗 aaaaaaaaa I thought of adding a <div> in the html for the project
16:32 🔗 aaaaaaaaa and then have a tornado event look for messages and overwrite that
16:34 🔗 chfoo it does that already. the header image, links, description, and count down timer are all build from the pipeline
16:34 🔗 chfoo i just assumed that alard never envisioned that it would be used for displaying announcements
16:37 🔗 joepie91 heh
16:37 🔗 joepie91 chfoo: in that case, just add a nice CSS class to the warrior CSS
16:37 🔗 joepie91 .alert or something
16:38 🔗 chfoo yeah, you just read my mind
16:38 🔗 joepie91 :P
16:38 🔗 joepie91 I'd go for a not-too-intrusive red shade background color
16:38 🔗 joepie91 with sufficient padding, maybe border-radius
16:38 🔗 joepie91 that should fit in okay
16:38 🔗 chfoo but you still have a point about the indicator in the about tab
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