| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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22:35
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emijrp |
i want to create a GUI for dumpgenerator |
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22:47
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Nemo_bis |
:-O |
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22:47
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Nemo_bis |
emijrp, isn't it already easy enough to make it explode? |
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22:48
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emijrp |
people dont like command line (windowsers mainly) |
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22:48
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* |
Nemo_bis worriedly looks at his toolserver instance with almost 1 GB RAM pending killing and hundreds hours to wait just for the titles list |
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22:48
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emijrp |
titles what? |
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22:49
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Nemo_bis |
the titles the tool then has to download (for werelate) |
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22:51
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emijrp |
why do you use toolserver? |
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22:51
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Nemo_bis |
emijrp, just for the titles, as an experiment |
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22:52
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Nemo_bis |
I didn't have free CPU in that moment and thought it would have been faster. |
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22:52
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Nemo_bis |
But it's too busy now. |
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22:56
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emijrp |
i think that if we create a GUI, all the guys using wikifarms will create a backup of their own wikis |
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22:57
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Nemo_bis |
oh, now I understand, it's terrorism |
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22:57
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emijrp |
we cant backup all wikis in the internet, we have to grow our users community |
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22:57
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Nemo_bis |
Actually I think that more robust tools would make it possible to backup most of them automatically with a few servers. |
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22:58
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Nemo_bis |
Just using API and improve error handling, finding a way to automate lists and metadata... |
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22:58
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emijrp |
yep, but i think that is is more difficult |
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22:59
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emijrp |
also, i think that our ission is to show people that making backups is good |
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22:59
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emijrp |
we dont have to be the last backup service in the web |
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22:59
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emijrp |
again, we cant backup all |
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22:59
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Nemo_bis |
Yes. If you don't include the upload in the GUI, though,you'll increase backups but not actual preservation. |
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23:00
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Nemo_bis |
Because people who don't know about command line won't be able to upload it to IA (or at least won't bother). |
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23:00
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emijrp |
i was thinking in adding a option to upload the backup to a server, and paste the link anywhere |
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23:00
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emijrp |
so, we can download it |
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23:01
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Nemo_bis |
Then you need a way to attach metadata to it. |
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23:01
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emijrp |
? |
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23:01
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Nemo_bis |
If it's just an archive you won't understand where it's from. |
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23:01
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Nemo_bis |
Not to mention license etc. |
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23:02
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emijrp |
license is in index.php |
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23:02
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emijrp |
which is saved |
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23:02
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Nemo_bis |
It mostly is not. |
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23:02
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Nemo_bis |
(in it) |
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23:02
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Nemo_bis |
I almost always had to dig a lot to find license. |
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23:03
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Nemo_bis |
And the API is unclear, too, because there are too many was to store license info. |
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23:05
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emijrp |
what is the problem with license? those wikis without license in the mainpage can be assumed as All Rights Reserved |
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23:05
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Nemo_bis |
emijrp, no. |
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23:05
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Nemo_bis |
The license is often in a copyrights page, or in the terms of use page, or in the edittools-sort messages, etc. |
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23:06
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emijrp |
anyway, i dont see the relation with creating a GUI |
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23:06
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emijrp |
we dont care about copyright when archiving |
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23:06
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Nemo_bis |
Some of us do, and metadata is important. If you separate download from upload too much, then it's harder to get it. |
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23:07
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Nemo_bis |
Anyway, pretty easy to solve, just ask some info (maybe optional) in the GUI and save it in the simplest possible way. |
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23:08
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Nemo_bis |
Like domain, wiki title, main page URL and/or index.php URL, API URL, license, additional details. |
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23:09
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emijrp |
are you going to trust the data? license is complex |
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23:09
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emijrp |
not only, text, also images |
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23:09
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Nemo_bis |
Well, about images you can't do much besides downloading descriptions. |
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23:10
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Nemo_bis |
Asking about license is educational as well: we can archive everything, but a (public) wiki whose content is not free doesn't really work well as a wiki. |
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23:12
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Nemo_bis |
emijrp, I'm completing the Commons dump till June 2005 soon. |
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23:21
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emijrp |
well |