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JensRexBack up. My ISP owes 8 GB credit on the AT tracker! [00:01]
JAAMaybe you exceeded your traffic cap. ;-) [00:03]
JensRexNah, they did away with that years ago. [00:05]
JAA:-) [00:07]
JensRexJust the usual incompetence from a huge ISP. [00:11]
JAAI'm really glad we switched to a competent, small ISP.
They're also the only ones to offer symmetric Gbit in the area though (for consumers).
Ah, just checked, not anymore. But still the cheapest ones by far.
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JensRexMy terrible ISP is the least terrible available here.
That is, I can get DSL at 18 mibt from any number of providers, or cable at up to 1 gbit from Incompetence Inc.
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JAA:-/
I hate "up to".
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JensRexI meant I can get up to 1 gbit if I pay for it. Got 300 mbit currently. [00:17]
JAAAh, and you actually get 300 Mbit? [00:17]
JensRexMore like 360 mbit.
And 60 up.
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JAANeat. The cable connections I've used here were... not as good. [00:18]
JensRex1 gbit is absurdly expensive though. ~107 €.
300 mbit is ~53 €.
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JAAI pay about €56 for Gbit/s here. That's fibre though, not cable. [00:23]
godaneso this felicity tape most likely was from 2002-11-20 to 2002-11-27
there was a jump to a thanksgiving episode after S02E21
also sears ads saying that thanksgiving sale is on this friday for the last 3 episodes i think
this also may mean that the last 2 episodes of Season 2 on We aired on 2002-12-02 and 2002-12-03
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godaneso the tank girl tape is the Tank Girl home video tape
it was a copy of it to a normal video tape
anyways the trailer at the end of the tape and partial MST3 recording will be saved
turned out that was taped over for Tank Girl
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looks like it was Comedy Central 1991 for MST3
there was ad for gamepro magazine in there commercial break
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mundusCan someone do I recursive archive on http://www.poi-factory.com/
Also, is there anything I can do to gain ability to use archive bot?
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dashcloudeveryone can do the single site version- !ao url . you need to be voiced to use the !a (get everything version).
you also need to be in the #archivebot channel
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godaneso i put in Felicity tape 1 and it has episode S01E02 from what i can tell [03:53]
Somebody2For reference, I am *not* available to exchange money for coding, sadly. (Or to donate money, for that matter.) But I'm supportive of such being done. [04:03]
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AsparagirYou got something against money, huh? :-) [04:19]
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godaneso i made of list of felicity episodes to days that there may have aired on We Channel
based on every the first episode aired 2002-09-30
archive news report confilmed it: http://www.amcnetworks.com/press-releases/we-womens-entertainment-acquires-exclusive-off-network-premiere-of-felicity
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they say october but the monday that would have the first episode is 2002-09-30
anyways i have at least a good guess when each episode aired
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godaneSketchCow: so i have a total of 38 files i have upload for 'Godane VHS Capture' folder
anyways i'm breaking up the felicity block i got
so i have S01E02 to S01E05 from this 'felicity tape 1'
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godaneSketchCow: so i think that damaged tape has a bird craw print in the cover
there are 3 holes then 4th hold at the bottom of it
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Muad-DibJAA: yeah, let's move the Lycos talk here
I completely forgot about http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ISP_Hosting
Seems I forgot they run Angelfire as well
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JAAThe more I read about it, the more confused I get.
There was Lycos Europe, which shut down a few years ago and was therefore probably completely independent of Lycos US?
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Muad-Dibgood news for archiving, though: they both seem to have the same sitemap-ception thing going on http://www.angelfire.com/robots.txt http://members.tripod.com/robots.txt
"Sitemaps of sitemaps! We need to go deeper!" *horns*
JAA: looks like there's already have a channel for this stuff: #webroasting
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JAAAh, right [12:30]
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Ruff_Wizabetter now? [15:45]
JAA:-)
The other channel is mostly just for announcements and "oh shit this site is going down"-type messages.
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Ruff_Wizaokay
My mother is running a petition to stop the authorities in a city in Russia from moving a monument. Since the petition started, they've backed away from their original decision and also have managed to get some news articles edited and removed the statement about them planning to move it from their site. My brother found Google Web Cache'd versions online of the article before it was edited,...
...but he said that we shouldn't rely on it since it can be removed, so I uploaded it to archive.is (after I found that I couldn't upload it to the Wayback Machine). Would you say that this is sufficient or that I should try and get the cached versions onto the Internet Archive too?
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JAAMore copies are always better. In particular in the case of archive.is, which is just run by a single guy and could disappear at any time.
How many links are we talking about?
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Ruff_WizaBut how do I get it onto there if the Wayback Machine doesn't take it? The Google cached versions have since auto-updated, so the archive.is versions are the only ones we have left for some of them.
There are several articles covering this from different dates but I think there are three that are most important, though I suppose ideally we could put everything on there.
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JAAWe can throw Google Cache pages into ArchiveBot if it's not too many. The problem with Google Cache is that they're blocking automated access quite quickly. But a few dozen links is not an issue.
For those that are only on archive.is now, it's a bit trickier. ArchiveBot ignores archive.is entirely... But I think it might be possible to get around that.
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Ruff_WizaI think 2 of the 3 caches updated themselves precisely because the articles were changed (at least I think so, anyway), and the other one is still up because the original page was deleted, not changed. Tell me if I am wrong about this.
(Google caches I'm talking about)
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JAAPossible. I don't know too much about how Google Cache works internally.
Sounds very plausible though.
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Ruff_WizaI think that's the best explanation. Google Cache is primarily for Google own use, right?
*Google's
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JAAYeah, basically.
And it can disappear or change at any time.
It's definitely nothing that we can rely on.
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Ruff_WizaMost people who were following this know that it's bullshit when they try and deny that it was ever gonna happen, but it's important to have an archive anyway, since a screenshot or pdf is not good enough evidence.
Would you like me to send you some of the links?
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JAAAbsolutely [15:57]
Ruff_WizaAnd then what will you do with them? Just so I know. [15:58]
JAAI will add them to ArchiveBot. They will be archived and uploaded to the Internet Archive, though they won't appear in the Wayback Machine as mentioned previously. Anyone can download the archives and take a look at the content though (with the right software). [16:01]
Ruff_Wizabut doesn't that kind of defeat the point of it being able to be easily shared and used as evidence?
why can't it be put on the wayback machine?
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JAAHold on a second [16:03]
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JAAAh yeah
So the problem is that https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/robots.txt forbids access to /search.
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Ruff_WizaWhat does that mean? [16:05]
JAAThe Wayback Machine unfortunately follows robots.txt directives, meaning that it blocks access to any URLs disallowed there. [16:05]
Ruff_WizaBut can't we feed a direct link to the particular cached page into the Machine?
oh, I see what you mean
you mean because it has /search in the URL?
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JAAIf you find an alternative link to it, that might work, but I don't know of anything other than https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:URL
Yes
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Ruff_WizaCan we feed archive.is versions into the Machine? [16:07]
JAAMaybe, not sure. [16:08]
Ruff_WizaIt doesn't give me an option to do that straight away. [16:09]
JAAAh no, won't work because archive.is/fo is behind CloudFlare protection. :-( [16:10]
Ruff_Wizaso archive.org has nothing I can add it to? [16:10]
JAAExample: https://web.archive.org/web/20171106160948/https://archive.fo/COuCQ
I don't think so.
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Ruff_WizaI just get this: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://archive.fo/SP1by
JAA: Do they have a chat like this one?
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JAAYou could download the .zip from archive.is and upload that to IA, but that's also not directly accessible.
There's #internetarchive, but that's unofficial.
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Ruff_WizaI'll just do whatever you think is best
Oh. Do you think they'll be able to help me?
(Or at least offer advice.)
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JAAI'm not sure what's best. I usually throw Google Cache links into ArchiveBot for such cases, but that's definitely far from ideal.
In any case, a difficult-to-access copy is infinitely better than no copy at all.
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Ruff_Wizaokay
what software is needed to access archivebot?
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JAANo idea, you can try asking there, I'm not familiar with the channel.
Nothing besides an IRC client. Join #archivebot.
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ola_norskis there no way to circumvent the f**kng t.co short urls when trying to post/browse a wayback archive?
i mean, the real url is in the "alt=" ..
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one might as well replace any urls on archived twitter that's a "t.co" link, with the url in in the "alt=" property..
damn bit.ly, goo.gl, t.co ..
ola_norsk is pissed, emotionally and alcoholically
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noirscapenot sure if it has been made aware yet but the miiverse warrior project doesnt work
Project code is out of date and needs to be upgraded. To remedy this problem immediately, you may reboot your warrior. Retrying after 90 seconds...
is the error ive been getting
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DrasticAcIt was taken down, Nintendo was banning IPs [21:22]
noirscapeoh
so no archiving?
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DrasticAcWe've already grabbed 137 million posts and 6.7 million user profiles [21:23]
noirscapethats quite a bit [21:23]
DrasticAcAnd I have another manual job that's archiving the newest posts as they come in. [21:23]
noirscapeok [21:24]
DrasticAcJAA: Is there any way we can edit the wiki to make it clear that the warrior job is down, but the manual grab is still on?
We've had it come up in the other chat room before too.
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noirscapeis there a way i can contribute with the manual grab? [21:25]
phillipsjDrasticAc, I think you can get wiki accces by asking for the password in a specific way. [21:26]
DrasticAcnoirscape: No, it's something I wrote and I'm running it on an Azure bot.
Honestly, there's not much left. It's really the newest posts.
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noirscapeDrasticAc: oh good [21:28]
DrasticAcWe don't know how many older posts might be missing, since it's basically impossible to know how many total posts there are, and the Miiverse website has terrible pagination. [21:28]
noirscapeDrasticAc: I can edit the wiki if need be btw [21:29]
DrasticAcWell, if you want to then :)
I'm not sure what to change it to though
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noirscapeNintendo has started IP banning Warrior instances, therefore the archiving effort has publicly been disabled for now. A private grab is still running.
how about i add this?
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DrasticAcOkay, sounds good. [21:34]
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