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05:14 <@chrono> it literally took 2 seconds to get all of torpedos shit klined |
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05:14 <@chrono> it literally took 2 seconds to get all of torpedos shit klined |
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05:15 <@chrono> tomaw i literally spammed 3 opers fake logs until they banned your bots nigga |
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05:15 <@chrono> tomaw i literally spammed 3 opers fake logs until they banned your bots nigga |
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05:15 <@chrono> how's that feel |
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05:15 <@chrono> how's that feel |
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sim590rq |
05:15 <@chrono> im more hated by efnet opers than you and they still banned your shit |
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05:15 <@chrono> im more hated by efnet opers than you and they still banned your shit |
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sim590rq |
odemg BlueMax svchfoo1 Aoede Gfy dxrt_ archiver wp494 Odd0002 zino Jens DragonMon Despatche moufu godane arkiver YHVH hook54321 MrRadar2 BnAboyZ Tenebrae Sue Kaz ivan SimpBrain SketchCow jeekl rbraun betamax logchfoo1 astrid t2t2 dashcloud apache2 voltagex dxrt JAA DrasticAc bitspill HCross jspiros Frogging robogoat Muad-Dib Meroje Polylith chfoo lexicon Sanqui MrRadar Ctrl-S___ deathy jrwr xarph eientei95 Vito` rektide dogsrcool Famicoman |
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05:14 <@chrono> it literally took 2 seconds to get all of torpedos shit klined |
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05:14 <@chrono> it literally took 2 seconds to get all of torpedos shit klined |
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05:15 <@chrono> tomaw i literally spammed 3 opers fake logs until they banned your bots nigga |
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fdalxy |
05:15 <@chrono> tomaw i literally spammed 3 opers fake logs until they banned your bots nigga |
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fdalxy |
05:15 <@chrono> how's that feel |
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fdalxy |
05:15 <@chrono> how's that feel |
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fdalxy |
05:15 <@chrono> im more hated by efnet opers than you and they still banned your shit |
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fdalxy |
05:15 <@chrono> im more hated by efnet opers than you and they still banned your shit |
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fdalxy |
odemg BlueMax svchfoo1 Aoede Gfy dxrt_ archiver wp494 Odd0002 zino Jens DragonMon Despatche moufu godane arkiver YHVH hook54321 MrRadar2 BnAboyZ Tenebrae Sue Kaz ivan SimpBrain SketchCow jeekl rbraun DrasticAc bitspill HCross jspiros Frogging robogoat Muad-Dib Meroje Polylith chfoo lexicon Sanqui MrRadar Ctrl-S___ deathy jrwr xarph eientei95 Vito` rektide dogsrcool Famicoman JAA dxrt voltagex apache2 dashcloud t2t2 astrid logchfoo1 betamax |
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fdalxy |
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BlueMax |
for god's sake |
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hook54321 |
:/ |
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chfoo |
hopefully unlisting the channel works. feel free to remove +s later if there was reason it wasn't enabled. |
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hook54321 |
chfoo: For the side project channels it's nice to be able to find them by looking at what other channels people are in, but I don't see a reason not to do it for the 4 main ones. |
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JAA |
hook54321: +s doesn't hide channels from WHOIS, only from the public channel list (the LIST command). |
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JAA |
+p is the option you're thinking of. |
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JAA |
s/option/mode/ |
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JAA |
Hmm, actually, looks like that depends on the IRC network. (Of course it does.) |
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JAA |
The above is how I remember it from another network. On EFNet, apparently +s hides it from both WHOIS and LIST, and +p merely "disables /knock to the channel". |
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JAA |
http://www.efnet.org/?module=docs&doc=15 |
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JAA |
IoT/GDPR update: you can't use this lightbulb anymore because of GDPR... https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/999619364541394944 |
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JAA |
http://gdprhallofshame.com/ |
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lindalap |
(Continued from -bs) PirateIRC's privacy policy doesn't even have the required information for GDPR. |
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lindalap |
Regarding consent on IRC: I wrote a few incomplete drafts for two other networks, which adopted some incomplete privacy policies based on it. |
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astrid |
what's the impact of an irc network not complying with gdpr, from your perspective? |
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lindalap |
Hard to tell. Messages are probably out of scope, WHOWAS data availability publicly might be a cocern. |
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lindalap |
concern* |
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lindalap |
At least, if the server doesn't have a password like "i-agree-to-privacy-policy-dated-YYYY-MM-DD" before the connection and data collection. |
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astrid |
whowas is transitory, it usually only lasts for an hour or so |
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lindalap |
Charybdis IRCd can collect it for months end on small networks. It's buffer sized, not duration. |
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astrid |
aye |
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lindalap |
Even if an ngircd server has a password to connect, it will still tell the client first if a nickname is in use. |
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astrid |
ah huh interesting |
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lindalap |
Mmhm. You can fail the password auth and tell if a nickname is on the server. |
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astrid |
nifty ... |
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lindalap |
Not sure how it works with other IRCds... |
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lindalap |
My guess is similar because it's the user message, I think |
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astrid |
yeah |
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lindalap |
Forgot what it's called |
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tyzoid |
Plus, there's the impact of people who take logs |
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lindalap |
But anyway, nicknames are based on user provided information = consent |
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lindalap |
and informed to be public |
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astrid |
i don't think that users logging their conversations is a responsibility of the irc network |
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lindalap |
The people who take logs are on their own responsibility to manage that data under GDPR. |
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JAA |
What about public logs? |
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lindalap |
I'm not sure if it's the responsibility of the IRC network to inform the users of data sharing their messages with third parties (= the recipient) |
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lindalap |
Public logs, uhh... can't tell if that has requirements of GDPR like right to erasure, or not. Probably consent based. |
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lindalap |
Article 9(2)(e) |
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lindalap |
At least whatever they, special categories like health information about self, not a concern to the data controller. |
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JAA |
Would that cover the IP address/hostname exposed when you join a channel? |
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astrid |
wouldn't talking in a channel that is known to be logged, be consent analogous to posting to a public mailing list? |
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lindalap |
I interpreted the IRC network needs to inform of processing and sharing your device/network/software information. |
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lindalap |
Analogous, I don't remember or know what happens with mailing lists. |
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lindalap |
I mean |
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lindalap |
Channel operators have their own GDPR responsibilities |
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JAA |
So basically, the IRC protocol would have to be changed. |
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lindalap |
That's how I interpret it. |
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lindalap |
Matrix changed stuff. |
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astrid |
does gdpr devolve responsibility onto everyone, or just businesses? |
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astrid |
because irc channels are rarely operated by businesses |
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lindalap |
Article 2 and 3 |
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lindalap |
GDPR Compliance in Matrix https://matrix.org/blog/2018/05/08/gdpr-compliance-in-matrix/ |
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astrid |
i guess you could interpret an irc channel to be a "unorganized business" if you wanted |
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astrid |
well, s/business/company/ |
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astrid |
kind of a club |
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lindalap |
"This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union, where the processing activities are related to: the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to such data subjects in the Union;" |
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lindalap |
"This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data: by a natural person in the course of a purely personal or household activity;" |
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tyzoid |
live communication via the internet is pretty much "service" |
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lindalap |
Mmhm. |
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tyzoid |
s/live/real-time/ |
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lindalap |
I'm connected to an IRC network with password protection via a Tor hidden service. There's very little data for the session (WHOIS info, no WHOWAS), and it's just my best friend, so GDPR doesn't apply to use under household/purely personal rule. |
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lindalap |
XFS (XMPP) also took notes: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/GDPR |
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lindalap |
Some IRC networks have a ChanServ (?) feature to display last X messages from the channel on join. I think it might be bad for GDPR erasure, for people who didn't receive the message in first place. |
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lindalap |
These are the changes they did in Synapse 0.30.0 homeserver in Matrix for GDPR: https://matrix.org/blog/2018/05/24/synapse-0-30-0-released-today/ |
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tyzoid |
lindalap: IIRC that still fails gdpr. |
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tyzoid |
From what I remember, you can't conditionally offer service upon acceptance or denial of consent |
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lindalap |
GDPR privacy policies should tell you what the consequences are if no personal data is provided. |
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lindalap |
e.g., not being able to offer the service |
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lindalap |
Article 13(2)(e) |
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lindalap |
Few days ago, I drafted what data IRC networks may have or process and it's surprisingly a lot. https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a653a7ff |
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lindalap |
Incomplete. |
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JAA |
Oh damn. I'm reading about the implications of the GDPR on the domain WHOIS data right now. |
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JAA |
I love the part where ICANN wrote to the European Data Protection Authorities asking for a moratorium on WHOIS data, and the reply was essentially "lolno". |
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hook54321 |
JAA: In simple English, what information will no longer be available in WHOIS records? And how will this effect services that let people see historical WHOIS data? |
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JAA |
hook54321: I have no idea. The situation seems really messy at the moment. |
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JAA |
hook54321: "When the Temporary Specification goes into effect on 25 May 2018, the WHOIS system will remain available, though there will be some changes. Registry Operators and Registrars are still required to collect all registration data. If Internet users submit a WHOIS query, at a minimum the user will receive "thin" data in return, including technical data sufficient to identify the sponsoring |
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JAA |
Registrar, status of the registration, and creation and expiration dates for each registration. Additionally, the user will have access to an anonymized email address or a web form to facilitate email communication with the relevant contact (e.g. registrant, administrative, technical contacts)." |
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JAA |
From https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-05-17-en |
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hook54321 |
hmm |
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hook54321 |
So essentially we'll find out tomorrow when we check what's gone? |
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JAA |
Yeah, probably. |
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JAA |
And I'm still not sure who will have access to the data exactly. |
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JAA |
They wanted to give access to all kinds of people, including intellectual property lawyers etc. |
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hook54321 |
I wonder how this will affect the Internet Archive. |
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23:37
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JAA |
See #internetarchive |
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hook54321 |
ah |
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hook54321 |
If someone wanted to attempt to test the enforceability of this then going after a big group like the Internet Archive is certainly one way to do it |
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astrid |
going after the internet archive is a good way to make enemies quick |