#archiveteam-bs 2013-02-02,Sat

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02:08 🔗 dashcloud the register has an interesting series on OS/2 from a contract bug hunter who worked with IBM on it: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/23/why_os2_failed_part_one/
02:08 🔗 dashcloud http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/26/os2_final_fail/
02:19 🔗 joepie91 http://boingboing.net/2013/02/01/now-is-a-good-time-to-re-set-y.html
02:19 🔗 joepie91 twitter got haxxed
02:22 🔗 godane SketchCow: do i have direct admin for my collection yet?
02:25 🔗 dashcloud so, I wasn't important enough to get hacked- that's good news
02:27 🔗 joepie91 heh
02:30 🔗 adamcaudi That was pretty much my reaction - though just a little disapointed
02:55 🔗 dashcloud http://arstechnica.com/staff/2013/02/ebay-fraud-and-me-the-sequel-a-pathetic-end-to-the-debacle/ morale of the story: ebay UK sucks a lot (possibly more than ebay US)
02:56 🔗 dashcloud you may have seen ebay fraud stories before, but this story starts off much different than the normal one
03:54 🔗 godane looks like there is press conferces from ces 2009
03:54 🔗 godane on g4tv.com
12:08 🔗 ersi dashcloud: that was a nice read
12:09 🔗 ersi too bad I don't have the original OS/2 discs left :(
16:32 🔗 asiekierk so here's a situation i'm in
16:32 🔗 asiekierk there's a certain polish imageboard that was pulled down by the owner in mid-November
16:32 🔗 asiekierk I hosted a mirror because I missed the place due to its specific, nice atmosphere
16:32 🔗 asiekierk and today the owner comes shouting at me to remove the data or send me to abuse
16:33 🔗 asiekierk there was no rule on the website not to mirror it, in fact, there was no T&C at all
16:33 🔗 asiekierk what should i do?
16:34 🔗 asiekierk the reason for taking it down continues to be unknown, too
16:37 🔗 ersi I'd tell him to shove it
16:37 🔗 ersi personally
16:37 🔗 ersi But dunno, put it up on some other host and tell him you put yours down?
16:37 🔗 asiekierk I put mine down
16:37 🔗 asiekierk Considering putting it up on torrent
16:37 🔗 asiekierk it's just 3.7GB
16:38 🔗 ersi Oh, you should definately do that
16:38 🔗 asiekierk Right now the mirror page (I even bought the original domain when it expired) has a quote of what he said to me
16:38 🔗 asiekierk as he used quite harsh words
16:39 🔗 asiekierk and a comment "It's sad some people can't respect history."
16:45 🔗 Schbirid asiekierk: _legally_ things are copyrighted implicitely, you cannot take other people's things
16:45 🔗 asiekierk technically, yes, but i still don't understand his motives
16:45 🔗 Schbirid his site, he can do whatever he wants
16:46 🔗 Schbirid so put it on archive.org or soemthing ;)
16:46 🔗 asiekierk i just made a .torrent file
16:46 🔗 Schbirid torrents are shortlived
16:46 🔗 asiekierk and i'm also going to upload it to archive.org
16:46 🔗 asiekierk what format? zip, 7zip?
16:47 🔗 ersi Schbirid: It was an imageboard, that usually consists of mostly copyrighted images which none of the posters have copyright shitcakes for
16:47 🔗 Schbirid 7z is great for mostly text
16:48 🔗 asiekierk ersi: And it's noted all the images and content the user is responsible for
16:48 🔗 asiekierk As well as that it was for a copyrighted TV show
16:48 🔗 Schbirid ersi: i was just trying to reply to the "there was no rule on the website not to mirror it, in fact, there was no T&C at all"
16:48 🔗 ersi yeah, just.. commented Schbirid's blah
16:48 🔗 ersi well, it's just ironic and highly comical that a dweeb running an imageboard claim copyright and ownership - so fuck ihm
16:49 🔗 ersi fuck'em and torrent/upload it :)
16:49 🔗 asiekierk zipping
16:49 🔗 asiekierk my server's on an SSD so it should be quick
16:49 🔗 ersi works :]
16:50 🔗 GLaDOS Pfft, make a WARC out of it.
16:51 🔗 asiekierk how do I do that?
16:51 🔗 ersi don't worry about it, just upload the zip
16:51 🔗 Schbirid a warc is more than just a bunch of files, you cannot really create that afterwards
16:51 🔗 asiekierk also the dump is slightly borked, some files should be moved from art.11 -> art/index.html
16:51 🔗 GLaDOS True.
16:51 🔗 asiekierk but it's important I get this out now
16:51 🔗 ersi Well, you can - but it's pretty pointless
16:51 🔗 Schbirid yeah
16:51 🔗 * GLaDOS is just the archiving noob here
16:51 🔗 ersi asiekierk: Don't worry, it'll be just fine
16:52 🔗 asiekierk i was dumping it the night before it closed so i didn't have much time to learn the ways
16:52 🔗 ersi Some is always better than none
16:52 🔗 asiekierk it's mostly the complete site really, the few things missing is working search (obviously), working posting (obviously) and the art.11 <- art/index.html issue
16:52 🔗 asiekierk which is a direct result of the fact I reran httrack (while skipping identical files) 11 times up until the moment it died
16:53 🔗 asiekierk or was it wget... i don't even remember
16:53 🔗 asiekierk it's compressing
16:53 🔗 asiekierk considering making a light version of the mirror too
16:53 🔗 asiekierk with thumbnails only
16:54 🔗 asiekierk as the images are, like, 90% of the size
16:54 🔗 ersi For the record and future; If you do use wget, the latest one (version 1.14) have support for WARC (Web ARChive), which is a great format for archiving web pages. It's pretty simple to use with wget as well (Just pass on --warc-file="name")
16:54 🔗 asiekierk right.
16:54 🔗 ersi It'll save HTTP Headers and everythang
16:54 🔗 asiekierk yeah
16:54 🔗 asiekierk sad i didn't do that, but oh well
16:54 🔗 asiekierk something is better than nothing
16:54 🔗 ersi Indeedily
16:55 🔗 GLaDOS Easily better.
16:55 🔗 asiekierk good to know in case i need to close down one of my sites, though
16:55 🔗 asiekierk will probably make sure to WARC it up before i close it
16:55 🔗 ersi Yeah :)
16:55 🔗 asiekierk while it's zipping (had to do it again as i did a thing wrong) lemme see what the guy originally said, translated from Polish to English
16:55 🔗 asiekierk "fucking listen"
16:55 🔗 ersi The bestest thing about WARC, is that it's from the Internet Archive amongst others - and their tools eat WARC's for breakfast. So it's easy to shove it into, for example, the Wayback Machine
16:56 🔗 asiekierk "i give you time till the end of the day to get my data away from your fucking server"
16:56 🔗 asiekierk "otherwise i'm writing to abuse today"
16:56 🔗 GLaDOS Should've passed it over to mine..
16:57 🔗 asiekierk GLaDOS: well, do it, the ZIP will be up in a few minutes
16:57 🔗 asiekierk i can even redirect the domain for you
16:57 🔗 asiekierk as I own the domain it was originally on, catched it
16:57 🔗 GLaDOS Heh
16:57 🔗 asiekierk the problem with trying to exert the copyright is, well, this:
16:57 🔗 asiekierk 1. the images are mostly copyrighted/stolen content
16:57 🔗 asiekierk 2. the discussions themselves talk about copyrighted content
16:57 🔗 asiekierk 3. the skins are also based on copyrighted content
16:57 🔗 asiekierk 4. the only thing that isn't is the engine, and i don't have 90% of it (the server side)
16:57 🔗 GLaDOS Add a weak password to it.
16:58 🔗 asiekierk GLaDOS: ...
16:58 🔗 asiekierk okay, re-running zip
16:58 🔗 Schbirid two wrong make no right, he would still have legal leverage (just saying!)
16:58 🔗 GLaDOS As in
16:58 🔗 GLaDOS The site
16:58 🔗 asiekierk Schbirid: technically we'd both be screwed
16:58 🔗 Schbirid depends on your legal system
16:58 🔗 GLaDOS Poland.
16:58 🔗 asiekierk Poland.
16:58 🔗 asiekierk read: nobody cares
16:58 🔗 Schbirid IANAL
16:58 🔗 asiekierk unless you play with the government
16:58 🔗 asiekierk it's true
16:58 🔗 Schbirid :)
17:00 🔗 GLaDOS Whereas, Romania..
17:00 🔗 asiekierk decided to use 7zip instead
17:00 🔗 GLaDOS Hm, should check that.
17:00 🔗 asiekierk >Romania
17:00 🔗 asiekierk oh, you shouldn't have anything to worry about
17:00 🔗 GLaDOS Hehehe
17:03 🔗 asiekierk 12% compressing
17:04 🔗 asiekierk 18%... will take a while with 7zip
17:22 🔗 asiekierk 94%
17:24 🔗 asiekierk okaj
17:24 🔗 asiekierk okay*
17:24 🔗 asiekierk 7z made
17:24 🔗 GLaDOS What was the domain name?
17:24 🔗 asiekierk http://kucyki.org/
17:24 🔗 asiekierk 3.05GB
17:25 🔗 GLaDOS Bring it on!
17:37 🔗 balrog aiui generally the copyright belongs to the person who posted them, not to the person who owns the imageboard
17:37 🔗 balrog (not a lawyer)
17:38 🔗 asiekierk balrog: It does on that imageboard to
17:38 🔗 asiekierk as stated in the footer
17:39 🔗 asiekierk uploading to archive.org via FTP, 20-30 minutes left
17:46 🔗 GLaDOS Might see if I can reintegrate the content into an imageboard software again..
17:54 🔗 asiekierk GLaDOS: nah, don't do that
17:54 🔗 asiekierk it's historical reasons only
17:54 🔗 asiekierk if I wanted to do it i would do it on my own Polish pony imageboard
17:54 🔗 GLaDOS Eh, true.
17:54 🔗 asiekierk just keep it up
17:54 🔗 asiekierk anyway, added you to the global list @ kucyki.org
17:56 🔗 GLaDOS Ok!
17:58 🔗 GLaDOS Need to replace the analytic code with my own, or remove it.
17:58 🔗 GLaDOS hm
18:00 🔗 GLaDOS Eh, later, too tired.
18:50 🔗 Schbirid turnkit: i forgot, do you still want that script?
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